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Old 02-21-2020 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by porkchopexpress
What makes this an even more effective path financially is that housing and medical expenses/insurance are covered for you (active duty). Definitely makes that paycheck go a lot further. IF one wants to join the military with this goal I wouldn't do enlisted USMC though, go army WOFT. They would have a lot more money to spend on those FW ratings after hours (assuming they got stuck in helicopters), and would still be building time towards that ATP while at work. FW in flight school is a possibility with a little luck, and then they'd be set. Military flight training counts towards significant college credits (60-75 ish credit hours depending on the school). The downside is that it'll be about an 8 year commitment start to finish. Upside is that it's a guaranteed flight slot for those without a degree or who don't want to roll the dice with OCS.
Agreed, don’t go USMC enlisted. Aviation wasn’t even on my radar when I joined or else I would have planned woft.
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Old 02-21-2020 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Exactly... 15 years ago. And for someone who isn't in the service this isn't really possible today. And in fact if I remember the GI Bill doesn't pay for ratings anymore if I remember correctly?

It's a different world now than it was when you did it.
Sounds like you’ve got it all sorted out then.
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Old 02-21-2020 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Ok, question... how did you pay for it?
I saved money and paid out of pocket. Would you pay $105k for a Chevy pickup just because you didn’t have $50k and they would finance it if you paid $105k (not including interest)?

There’s options out there for financing if it’s a must. Check out American’s cadet academy, Republic’s LIFT flight school (I think it’s about $60k and they finance it) or other similar routes. Not sure where you’re located but there are 3rd party lenders in my area that will finance flight training.
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Old 02-21-2020 | 05:39 PM
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If you can go the military route and fly then that would be your best option. If you can't get a guaranteed flying position then see if the GI bill will cover flight training these days, I don't think it does.
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Old 02-21-2020 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OscarRomeo
I saved money and paid out of pocket. Would you pay $105k for a Chevy pickup just because you didn’t have $50k and they would finance it if you paid $105k (not including interest)?
If the Chevy pickup was likely going to bring me millions of dollars over my lifetime then yes, I absolutely would. Granted it would be best to pay in cash, but that's not an option for most.
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Old 02-22-2020 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
2005 timeframe
I was 23
my training likely cost somewhere around $45,000
My job was a Staff Sergeant in the Marine Corps (they are hiring) and my salary was around $3000 a month +- and more if I was deployed.
Took me around 2 years flying 3 nights a week after work (when I was around) and 1 weekend day.

GI bill paid 60% after my private and I paid cash for the rest. No debt and drove a $1200 ford ranger. Post 9/11 gi bill paid for degree in its entirety. Actually, they paid me to go to school around $1000 a month tax free.

I wasn’t special, I was no different than you. I just found solutions instead of loans.

Semper Fi and thank you for your service.
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Old 02-22-2020 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
If the Chevy pickup was likely going to bring me millions of dollars over my lifetime then yes, I absolutely would. Granted it would be best to pay in cash, but that's not an option for most.
My buddy was smart with money.
Getting a loan for $105k that will likely bankrupt you is not being smart with money.
Just because ATP is willing to finance your broke ass doesn’t mean you need to do it.
It is as a matter of fact probably your worst choice.
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Old 02-22-2020 | 03:43 PM
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This is insanity. Even $60k makes me cringe. You could buy a mid time PA-28 for $25, spend $13.5 for an Aspen E5 and TruTrak installed price, pay a CFI-I $40/hr cash money to pull you through your PPL, IFR, and COM. $45/hr fuel plus $10/hr reserve plus $23/hr fixed costs x 250 hours = $19,500 plus 60hrs of instruction = $21,900 plus acquisition and upgrade cost of the plane.

If you don’t have the $25-30k to buy PA-28 and the $13.5k to upgrade the panel then you could finance it. Note that your plane will have excellent resale value with your Aspen panel with TruTrak.
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Old 02-22-2020 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chipjumper
This is insanity. Even $60k makes me cringe. You could buy a mid time PA-28 for $25, spend $13.5 for an Aspen E5 and TruTrak installed price, pay a CFI-I $40/hr cash money to pull you through your PPL, IFR, and COM. $45/hr fuel plus $10/hr reserve plus $23/hr fixed costs x 250 hours = $19,500 plus 60hrs of instruction = $21,900 plus acquisition and upgrade cost of the plane.

If you don’t have the $25-30k to buy PA-28 and the $13.5k to upgrade the panel then you could finance it. Note that your plane will have excellent resale value with your Aspen panel with TruTrak.
No independent instructor with appropriate insurance charges $40/hr.
More like double and that’s what a good instructor is worth.
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Old 02-22-2020 | 04:40 PM
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$40 is $40. Especially when you guarantee 50+ hours with them. It’s your plane. I know it is regional but the pricing around me is $40-50/hr. I’m not talking about going through a local flight school. I’m referring to hiring an independent instructor and paying them cash money (or PayPal etc). It may or may not cost a dime to add the instructor to the insurance policy so they won’t be subrogated. Sure didn’t cost me a dime.
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