RomeoSierra

You just cant log dual given and recived. No instrument rating required if it is a vfr flight under the hood.

Engineer Pilot

Thanks for the replies. This is what my CFII told me when he went over my logbook yesterday...

My CFII assumed from reading the FAR's x-country definition that logging cross country meant YOU had to "land at an airport of 50 NM away" and if there was no landing logged (i.e. your buddy did the landing) then NONE of the flight could be logged as x-country. So if I was safety pilot for the entirity of the 70 NM leg back home this would only be counted as PIC time and NOT x-country (b/c no landing). Or if I flew part of the leg and didn't land then this would NOT count as x-country (b/c no landing).

Furthermore my CFII assumed if you were safety pilot then you weren't using "dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point" as stated in the x-country definition then you couldn't log x-country. So say for a 4.2 hour flight in the Comments section of my log book I state that I was safety pilot for 2.2 hours and under the hood for 1.8 hours AND I landed the plane that I could only log 2.0 (4.2 -2.2) hours of x-country because this was when I was using navigation systems to the landing point.

From my understanding of your replies is that I can log x-country PIC regardless.

BTW, I am trying to get a hold of the examiner...

ryan1234

I wouldn't worry about...

if you call the examiner and ask him he might think up a way where it couldn't be PIC... however I've done what you did (logging time) and several other people I know have once upon a time and nobody cared...

not to be sneaky... but I would just put PIC down... and not mention anything about being a safety pilot in the comment section... I've really only mentioned the safety pilot's name, etc if I was under the hood, not visa versa.

If you touched the controls on the ground at the destination airport... you could probably safely say that it was XC time in your situation.

joepilot

If you are worried about logging a landing on cross-country ask for a touch and go followed by a full stop. That way you each get a landing.

Joe

floridaCFII

No, this is incorrect... when I'm acting as a CFI, I still log all X/C flights as X/C PIC even though I often never touch the controls, much less do a landing. If you can legally log the PIC time, then any conditions of flight (Night, X/C, Instrument, etc) may be logged as well.

Engineer Pilot

I got a hold of the examiner and he said while he doesn't like the rule it is still legal. So that is the bottom line. And yes, all conditions of flight including X/C applies to it. Now to focus for Saturday's check ride. Thanks again everyone for clearing it up for me

TheWeatherman

This logic doesn't hold because that means as a CFI you wouldn't be able to log X-country time because you can't log your student's landings.

fanboy

This was specifically addressed by the FAA in 2009, and they said you can NOT log cross country time as a safety pilot.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

rickair7777

This post was correct in 2008 when I wrote it, but the FAA interpretation referenced above changed that.

You should be able to log night but no longer XC. Of course don't log IMC as SP.

TheWeatherman

Thanks for posting that. Even though this thread is old, it is still a front page search result on Google when searched on the subject (that is how I found it) so it is important to keep it updated.

Question: if you have your CFII then I assume you can count all the time along with the cross country time if you mark it as duel given in the other pilots logbook?