Another Logging Question PIC/Instrument Time
09-21-2008, 05:01 PM
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Another Logging Question PIC/Instrument Time
I'm going up to get Instrument Current tomorrow. I have a question.
Can the safety pilot also log PIC time when he is in the right seat during simulated IFR if he is not an instructor? He holds a PPL without Instrument Rating.
Couldn't find it anywhere in the FAR's.
Thanks
Can the safety pilot also log PIC time when he is in the right seat during simulated IFR if he is not an instructor? He holds a PPL without Instrument Rating.
Couldn't find it anywhere in the FAR's.
Thanks
09-21-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomAir
Can the safety pilot also log PIC time when he is in the right seat during simulated IFR if he is not an instructor? He holds a PPL without Instrument Rating.
09-21-2008, 06:13 PM
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One more question: Logging Holds
Thanks for the info. One more question:
As part of the 6 required holding patterns, do they need to be 6 separate entries into a holding pattern, or just 6 laps in a holding pattern?
As part of the 6 required holding patterns, do they need to be 6 separate entries into a holding pattern, or just 6 laps in a holding pattern?
09-21-2008, 06:17 PM
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It does not have to be 6 holding patterns. It is 6HITS
6 approaches, holding, intercepting and tracking radials.
Fly an approach, go missed, intercept a radial and track it to a hold. Do 5 more approaches and you are done.
I wont go into the whole deal that it is the bare minimum and you should do more than 1 hold and 6 approaches because you know that, this is just for currency and not profficiency.
and since we love our FAR's
6 approaches, holding, intercepting and tracking radials.
Fly an approach, go missed, intercept a radial and track it to a hold. Do 5 more approaches and you are done.
I wont go into the whole deal that it is the bare minimum and you should do more than 1 hold and 6 approaches because you know that, this is just for currency and not profficiency.
and since we love our FAR's
61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.
c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:
For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft (other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft category for the instrument privileges sought --
At least six instrument approaches;
Holding procedures; and
Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation systems.
c) Instrument experience. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR, unless within the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has:
For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft (other than a glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated instrument conditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft for the instrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft category for the instrument privileges sought --
At least six instrument approaches;
Holding procedures; and
Intercepting and tracking courses through the use of navigation systems.
09-21-2008, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
It does not have to be 6 holding patterns. It is 6HITS
6 approaches, holding, intercepting and tracking radials.
Fly an approach, go missed, intercept a radial and track it to a hold. Do 5 more approaches and you are done.
I wont go into the whole deal that it is the bare minimum and you should do more than 1 hold and 6 approaches because you know that, this is just for currency and not profficiency.
and since we love our FAR's
6 approaches, holding, intercepting and tracking radials.
Fly an approach, go missed, intercept a radial and track it to a hold. Do 5 more approaches and you are done.
I wont go into the whole deal that it is the bare minimum and you should do more than 1 hold and 6 approaches because you know that, this is just for currency and not profficiency.
and since we love our FAR's
09-21-2008, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomAir
I'm going up to get Instrument Current tomorrow. I have a question.
Can the safety pilot also log PIC time when he is in the right seat during simulated IFR if he is not an instructor? He holds a PPL without Instrument Rating.
Couldn't find it anywhere in the FAR's.
Thanks
Can the safety pilot also log PIC time when he is in the right seat during simulated IFR if he is not an instructor? He holds a PPL without Instrument Rating.
Couldn't find it anywhere in the FAR's.
Thanks
The safety pilot would be logging PIC under FAR part 1. The pilot flying would be logging PIC under Part 61.51.
FAR Part 1: "Pilot-in-command means the person who: 1.Has the final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight; 2.Has been designated as pilot-in-command before or during the flight; and 3.Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.
FAR Part 61.51(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;
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09-23-2008, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Groundhog
The safety pilot would be logging PIC under FAR part 1. The pilot flying would be logging PIC under Part 61.51.
FAR Part 1: "Pilot-in-command means the person who: 1.Has the final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight; 2.Has been designated as pilot-in-command before or during the flight; and 3.Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.
FAR Part 1: "Pilot-in-command means the person who: 1.Has the final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight; 2.Has been designated as pilot-in-command before or during the flight; and 3.Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.
§ 61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.
§ 91.109 Flight instruction; Simulated instrument flight and certain flight tests.
(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless—
(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown.
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