NWA320pilot

What is the difference between paying for right seat time in hopes of moving further ahead in your career or crossing a picket line? Both move you ahead in your career goals but both also hold down the industry...... By paying to work the regional pay is held to its abysmal level. By crossing a picked line of a major (or regional) the working conditions and pay are held down.

Guys when you earn a commercial ticket it is time to start being paid to fly! Do not allow the idea of fast-tracking by paying your way lure you, as all that you will accomplish is working for peanuts the rest of your career!

atpwannabe

Amen to that!!!

After instructing for "x" amount of time, whatever that time frame may be, my hope is to get my first paid flying job as an FO, then on to CA, on a Beechcraft KA350 using that as a platform to catapult myself to the next level of flying.


atp

mshunter

Your my hero!

Dan64456

Ari-Ben is down to 35,000... Over 200 hrs multi time. Granted you could always do the FBO thing for about 22 - 25 grand in a single... Either way, it's not the 150k bloated exaggerated numbers people loosely throw around these boards. This is cheaper than most 4 yr colleges. Now may be the time. This time last year the same thing was over 50 grand I believe. Opinions?

Dan64456

Also that 35K inclds apartment for 3 months... after that 550 a month on you...

LeoSV

Do you have any money saved up for training at Ari Ben or ATP? a $50k loan doubles with interest, remember that. It's the same type of loan you get when you buy a house, a private loan. You could pay it off early, but you won't be able to with your salary. I started at ATP in 2006, it was 55k back then. I got the loan papers and my total to pay back was $121,000 after interest, with a minimum monthly payment of $819 month. And I have perfect credit, and I even had a co-signer with perfect credit too. I ended up quitting and cutting my losses after getting my PPL with them and now I'm training at an FBO. I have a family so my goal isn't airlines anymore, just part time CFI to support my flying habit, but I would think long and hard before pulling the trigger. If you live at home with your parents rent free, and drive an 89 accord, then go for it. But if you depend on yourself to pay all your bills, think twice my friend. Being in debt is no fun.

HectorD

As long as you don't come into the industry with a wife and kids you will be ok. Of course, you can but you will spend the first few years with sleepless nights trying to pay the bills. It seems that the key to succeed in this industry is not starting with allot of payments to begin with and once you have a nice income then you should start worrying about your house, then marriage and then kids. Call me naive but people that have kids before having a steady and good income are irresponsible in my opinion.

HectorD

That seems like a good plan, its always good to start getting payed sooner rather than later, but if it keeps you from advancing from your tickets, then no. If jobs that require CFII pay more than jobs that just require your commercial (outside the military) then I don't see why you would slow down at that stage. Of course if you can manage both working and studying then be my guest, but I personally would put all of my energy on studying and then getting payed. Of course to each his own.

dogismycopilot

My apologies if this is a duplicate post, but the 250 hour program IS Gulfstream.

"ATP and Gulfstream have developed a comprehensive Airline Training Program that combines ATP’s Airline Career Pilot Program training with a Beech 1900 SIC Type Rating and turbine time-building experience under an airline first officer internship program. If you have a passion for flying with a commitment to meeting long-term professional pilot career goals, this program offers unique benefits."

ATP Flight School: Airline Career Pilot Program in combination with Gulfstream First Officer Program

Dan64456

I agree 100%. This is not naive; this is the exact opposite actually. I feel like I've worked hardest in my life to make sure I didn't catch emotions or gain anything too early on in fear of having something to lose. Isn't that horrible? It's a rich man’s world. If you’re not born into it, then you are going to have a HELL of a time.
Ever see idiocracy? I can totally see that happening. Already do, actually. I'm afraid to buy a house these days, my job is in jeopardy, and everyone’s job is in jeopardy. I couldn't imagine being responsible for another human being... Ever since the 90's and 2000's when 2 yrs at 1 job became overstaying your welcome. Some call it competition, I call it overpopulation. This is another reason I hate corporate jobs. Especially IT. You don't move up unless you use all of your energy job searching and job hopping, granted you don't have to start over in pay, but these days you won't get a raise or a job either way in any industry. I'd much rather have a job where I know I am comfortable staying at for a long time before I even consider kids and a mortgage. All without having to constantly threaten to quit to try to get a better deal. (Once you do that, they find a way to fire you anyway once they find your replacement...)