Cost to rent a Twin in your Town
03-15-2009, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BZNpilot248
Why do you need the multi time or expirience? Honestly, I'd stay away from renting a twin in the industry's current state of affairs. Getting some multi time won't get you anywhere in the near future unless you have an inside line on a job and just need to get current, however in many cases a sim or single engine will do if you're flying consistently. You're almost just as well or better off working at (insert retail store here, or whatever) until things turn around if you don't have a flying job already. Keep working at finding a flying job to pay the bills but if that doesn't pan out - The personal investment in hours at this time simply isn't worth it when competitive mins are in the thousands TT for ANY flying job and usually at least the hundreds for multi time. Otherwise I'd try and find a 135 company someplace that would hire you into a multi or eventually upgrade you into a twin. At my 135 company a year and a half ago we were finding people that just met the minimums, now my chief pilot has resumes crossing his desk from people that have come from boeings and airbusses - just to fly a Navajo. Good luck..
Now if you would like to answer my original question go ahead
03-15-2009, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BZNpilot248
Why do you need the multi time or expirience? Honestly, I'd stay away from renting a twin in the industry's current state of affairs. Getting some multi time won't get you anywhere in the near future unless you have an inside line on a job and just need to get current, however in many cases a sim or single engine will do if you're flying consistently. You're almost just as well or better off working at (insert retail store here, or whatever) until things turn around if you don't have a flying job already. The personal investment in hours at this time simply isn't worth it when competitive mins are in the thousands TT for ANY flying job and usually at least the hundreds for multi time. Otherwise I'd try and find a 135 company someplace that would hire you into a multi or eventually upgrade you into a twin. At my 135 company a year and a half ago we were finding people that just met the minimums, now my chief pilot has resumes crossing his desk from people that have come from boeings and airbusses - just to fly a Navajo. Good luck..
I have a good instructor job and I've taken a second job doing something that most pilots would consider below themselves. My goal is to be out of debt, buy a new motorcycle, obtain an ATP and have 1500 multi-engine hours by the end of the year.....I'm well on my way to doing all of those things.
Next year? (Yes, I'm convinced that I'll be instructing for at least 2 more years) I'm gonna finish a 4-year degree that I started a long time ago.
This industry requires upward movement in order to function properly. That is not happening right now, so I, and a whole bunch of others, have taken steps not normally part of the process in order to obtain our goals and subsequently make life easier when things pick up again.
Now, would I encourage a friend or relative to start flight training with zero hours right now?....hell no. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do whatever it takes to get where they want to be.
I'd hire one of these types over some "Boeing/Airbus" guy who didn't possess the same type of intestinal fortitude any day.
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03-15-2009, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
This is kind of a defeatist attitude, don't you think? I'm not where I want to be in the industry, either, but that doesn't stop me from working toward goals that I've set for myself or ability to check more boxes when upward movement resumes.
I have a good instructor job and I've taken a second job doing something that most pilots would consider below themselves. My goal is to be out of debt, buy a new motorcycle, obtain an ATP and have 1500 multi-engine hours by the end of the year.....I'm well on my way to doing all of those things.
Next year? (Yes, I'm convinced that I'll be instructing for at least 2 more years) I'm gonna finish a 4-year degree that I started a long time ago.
This industry requires upward movement in order to function properly. That is not happening right now, I, and a whole bunch of others, have taken steps not normally part of the process in order to obtain our goals and subsequently make life easier when things pick up again.
Now, would I encourage a friend or relative to start flight training with zero hours right now?....hell no. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do whatever it takes to get where they want to be.
I'd hire one of these types over some "Boeing/Airbus" guy who didn't possess the same type of intestinal fortitude any day.
I have a good instructor job and I've taken a second job doing something that most pilots would consider below themselves. My goal is to be out of debt, buy a new motorcycle, obtain an ATP and have 1500 multi-engine hours by the end of the year.....I'm well on my way to doing all of those things.
Next year? (Yes, I'm convinced that I'll be instructing for at least 2 more years) I'm gonna finish a 4-year degree that I started a long time ago.
This industry requires upward movement in order to function properly. That is not happening right now, I, and a whole bunch of others, have taken steps not normally part of the process in order to obtain our goals and subsequently make life easier when things pick up again.
Now, would I encourage a friend or relative to start flight training with zero hours right now?....hell no. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do whatever it takes to get where they want to be.
I'd hire one of these types over some "Boeing/Airbus" guy who didn't possess the same type of intestinal fortitude any day.
03-15-2009, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Diver Driver
$245/hr wet for an old Aztec at Sportys... way too much.
So one hour in an Aztec will cost you 13 hours at a regional. Or, another way, 100 hours in an Aztec will cost you roughly 1 year and 4 months of regional pay.
Quite a bargain. Wet.
03-15-2009, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Instead of how many dollars an hour, think of how many "hours of year-one pay at a regional" per hour.
So one hour in an Aztec will cost you 13 hours at a regional. Or, another way, 100 hours in an Aztec will cost you roughly 1 year and 4 months of regional pay.
Quite a bargain. Wet.
So one hour in an Aztec will cost you 13 hours at a regional. Or, another way, 100 hours in an Aztec will cost you roughly 1 year and 4 months of regional pay.
Quite a bargain. Wet.
03-15-2009, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Blkflyer
Dude I burn Kerosene for a living, I am simply asking a question dont be so quick to assume or judge, or give your commentary.
Now if you would like to answer my original question go ahead
Now if you would like to answer my original question go ahead
03-15-2009, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
This is kind of a defeatist attitude, don't you think? I'm not where I want to be in the industry, either, but that doesn't stop me from working toward goals that I've set for myself or ability to check more boxes when upward movement resumes.
I have a good instructor job and I've taken a second job doing something that most pilots would consider below themselves. My goal is to be out of debt, buy a new motorcycle, obtain an ATP and have 1500 multi-engine hours by the end of the year.....I'm well on my way to doing all of those things.
Next year? (Yes, I'm convinced that I'll be instructing for at least 2 more years) I'm gonna finish a 4-year degree that I started a long time ago.
This industry requires upward movement in order to function properly. That is not happening right now, I, and a whole bunch of others, have taken steps not normally part of the process in order to obtain our goals and subsequently make life easier when things pick up again.
Now, would I encourage a friend or relative to start flight training with zero hours right now?....hell no. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do whatever it takes to get where they want to be.
I'd hire one of these types over some "Boeing/Airbus" guy who didn't possess the same type of intestinal fortitude any day.
I have a good instructor job and I've taken a second job doing something that most pilots would consider below themselves. My goal is to be out of debt, buy a new motorcycle, obtain an ATP and have 1500 multi-engine hours by the end of the year.....I'm well on my way to doing all of those things.
Next year? (Yes, I'm convinced that I'll be instructing for at least 2 more years) I'm gonna finish a 4-year degree that I started a long time ago.
This industry requires upward movement in order to function properly. That is not happening right now, I, and a whole bunch of others, have taken steps not normally part of the process in order to obtain our goals and subsequently make life easier when things pick up again.
Now, would I encourage a friend or relative to start flight training with zero hours right now?....hell no. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do whatever it takes to get where they want to be.
I'd hire one of these types over some "Boeing/Airbus" guy who didn't possess the same type of intestinal fortitude any day.
I have 3550 hours, 2200 PIC, 1600 multi, and 1260 jet....and I once had a job at an airline, until I was furloughed in January. I am just getting by on U.I. and savings, and this week my Harley will be repossessed. It seems more important right now to pay the rent and utility bills and buy food. I worked really hard for the past ten years after my divorce to get my credit to a good status, keeping my payments on time and always paying more than the minimum. Now, in two months, that is all going down the drain. After the bike is repo'ed, it will be auctioned and I will still owe the difference (and not have the bike).
Get another job? I have tried hard, but south Florida is not the best job market for any profession. Three more months on my lease and I may have to move to a place I can get a job (I just moved here in June, a place I always wanted to live).
Oh, I'm sorry, am I sounding "Defeatist"?
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