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Old 03-16-2009, 10:42 PM
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I'm going to go ahead and say it...Is flying a Cirrus or any other kind of glass panel/high-preformance/techincally advanced aircraft more benefical (in respect to the airlines) then flying an old beat up twin with out of date avionics?
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I'm going to go ahead and say it...Is flying a Cirrus or any other kind of glass panel/high-preformance/techincally advanced aircraft more benefical (in respect to the airlines) then flying an old beat up twin with out of date avionics?
You would certainly think so...but airline apps have no box for "glass panel time", only the almighty multi engine time.
They have to set the minimums somewhere I guess.
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Instrument are instruments; you read the info on them.
Single engine is single engine. C150 and Cirrus are the same.
Multiengine is what the airlines fly.
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There's those who ARE airline pilots and don't give a hoot about multi-engine time. For them, I suspect flying a new Cirrus would be far more enjoyable than a typical rental 30 year old light twin. Both will have similar performance and cost.

For those still working on getting in the airline world, yes, that is the only reason these antiques exist.

And finally, to the airline aspirants, yes a Cirrus is the same as a C150. But beside the single engine, there is little comparison.
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:21 AM
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And finally, to the airline aspirants, yes a Cirrus is the same as a C150. But beside the single engine, there is little comparison.
Yeah, the cirrus will be thrown away in 10 years while the mighty C150 will just keep trucking along with a new engine
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Yeah, the cirrus will be thrown away in 10 years while the mighty C150 will just keep trucking along with a new engine

Exactly. I can't stand the new all glass airplanes especially the new Cirrus. I was reading this month's flying magazine where they talk about the new known ice certified Cirrus. I know some doctor or lawyer is going to try and fly over the Cascades in the winter and think it's alright because his plane is certified. The new planes don't require you to be a pilot either. You can take off turn on the autopilot sit back and listen to music on a CD player. That's not flying that's being a passenger. I'd much rather have a pilot who flew a cub with no radios across the country sitting next to me in a cockpit then someone who flew a Cirrus. Anyone can transition from a 6 pack to glass but many have problems transitioning from glass to a six pack. That might hinder you more than benefit you if you are flying the old Bro, 1900, Saab, Dash 8 1,2,300, 727, 737 classic, 757, 767, MD 80 or the infamous "9".
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Exactly. I can't stand the new all glass airplanes especially the new Cirrus. I was reading this month's flying magazine where they talk about the new known ice certified Cirrus. I know some doctor or lawyer is going to try and fly over the Cascades in the winter and think it's alright because his plane is certified. The new planes don't require you to be a pilot either. You can take off turn on the autopilot sit back and listen to music on a CD player. That's not flying that's being a passenger. I'd much rather have a pilot who flew a cub with no radios across the country sitting next to me in a cockpit then someone who flew a Cirrus. Anyone can transition from a 6 pack to glass but many have problems transitioning from glass to a six pack. That might hinder you more than benefit you if you are flying the old Bro, 1900, Saab, Dash 8 1,2,300, 727, 737 classic, 757, 767, MD 80 or the infamous "9".
I know it...I did a few Flight Reviews in G1000 172's and was blown away at how awful these pilots were. I had to force them to look outside (VFR), and their monkey-skills, stick-n-rudder, were non-existent. We've now succesfully brought the lazy RJ Pilot into the left seat of GA everywhere. And Flight Directors! In a training aircraft! Unbelievable.

I guess flying airplanes is a lost art everywhere now...
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Originally Posted by shfo View Post
$250 ha try $350. I couldn't find a Cirrus in San Diego County but up at SNA the 2008 SR-22 G3 Turbo goes for 349/hr. Same place has a beater Seminole for $263/hr. If you really want to go in style they have an Extra 300 for $370/hr
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Look at Plus One (Plus One Flyers) for a Cirrus in San Diego, out of MYF I believe.
Yep here is there info its plusone.org
MYFSR22N412DJ$27231018011508144x Intercom, Auto Pilot, GPS, HSI, Marker Beacon, Storm Scope, Weather Radar, GPWS, TCAS, Glass CockpitMYFSR22N8148F$26431018011508144x Intercom, Auto Pilot, DME, GPS, HSI, Marker Beacon, RNav, Storm Scope, Weather Radar, GPWS, TCAS, Glass Cockpit
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Where's this at?

KDVT....Westwind
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I know it...I did a few Flight Reviews in G1000 172's and was blown away at how awful these pilots were. I had to force them to look outside (VFR), and their monkey-skills, stick-n-rudder, were non-existent. We've now succesfully brought the lazy RJ Pilot into the left seat of GA everywhere. And Flight Directors! In a training aircraft! Unbelievable.

I guess flying airplanes is a lost art everywhere now...
A pilot is often (only) as good as his instructor, and If his instuctor has his eyes fixed on being a "CRJ FO", ahem, he will not care to teach the stick and rudder skills even in a glass panel aircraft.

I am certainly generalizing, here, but I think my point is clear
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