do i go to Embry-Riddle yes or not???? Help!!
07-18-2009, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Outlaw2097
Look at a pilots certificate. It says their ratings, not where they got their training.
If you really want a Riddle degree (non aviation of course)...take general classes at a community college or elsewhere and transfer in for the remainder of classes.
The money you save there will help pay for your flight training at a local FBO.
If you really want a Riddle degree (non aviation of course)...take general classes at a community college or elsewhere and transfer in for the remainder of classes.
The money you save there will help pay for your flight training at a local FBO.
07-18-2009, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamburger090
(including that important guys to girls ratio
). And is true they are really really expensive.
I want to be an airline pilot no questions about it no matter what it takes,
). And is true they are really really expensive.I want to be an airline pilot no questions about it no matter what it takes,
Now for some realities. Flying an airplane will become on par with driving a bus very soon, some say that it's already happened at most places. Spend your money accordingly. It will be kind of like getting a BS degree with the ratings for 150K to drive those yellow school buses...
07-18-2009, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamburger090
hey guys, currently am the most confused person in the world. My issue is the following, and it requieres the help from guys like you!!!
I applied to Embry and got accepted whooo!!! but man!! i have read the posts about that school and they are terrible!!!(including that important guys to girls ratio). And is true they are really really expensive.
). And is true they are really really expensive.
I want to be an airline pilot no questions about it no matter what it takes, and i thought that Embry was the one till today. Please guys give me some schools that may be the same as embry and that will give me satisfiying results.
Step one - Look at a map and determine what state you live in.
Step two - Find out what state schools there are in that state.
Step three - Pick a field of study which might interest you and doesn't have the word aviation anywhere in it's name.
Step four - Look at the schools from step two and determine which ones offer the field of study you chose in step three.
Step five - Select schools from the list in step four in order of preference based on other factors of your choosing, such as location, M/F ratio, access to a FBO or Part 141 school, ect.
Step six - Take the money you save from not going to Riddle and get your ratings at said FBO or 141 school.
Step seven - Get your CFI and instruct while in college. Learn far more about flying than a 300 hour wonder, including how to not get killed in an aircraft.
Step eight - Graduate with a marketable degree AND your pilot ratings AND WITHOUT debt that could have put you through medical school (which would have the promise of some return on that investment.
Step nine - Discover that airlines (and other aviation employers) really don't care what your degree was in, just that you have a Bachelor's from a good school.
Step ten - Bust your butt to find a job.
Step eleven - Have a successful career in or out of aviation.
Step twelve - Retire.
am 19 and i am almost done with my private .
I am also looking at central washington university... please some help on what to do!!! give me some schools that are cheaper and are equal or is it worth to go to embry... ??????? Also what degree to consider??
I am also looking at central washington university... please some help on what to do!!! give me some schools that are cheaper and are equal or is it worth to go to embry... ??????? Also what degree to consider??
Virtually any non Ivy-league school will be cheaper than Riddle. Don't buy into that "Harvard of the Skies" crap - many make fun of Riddle grads because they are perceived as having a silver spoon in their mouth and a attitude to match (I'm not saying all Riddle grads are, but that is a very real perception among many. I've personally met both Riddle grads that were great, and some that were tools - just like anyplace).
Regarding the degree to choose - again refer to step three. For aviation, it won't matter if it's a degree in classical literature, history, pre-med, or physics. I personally would recommend you pick something that both interets you in general and you would consider for a career if aviation doesn't work out.
I'll throw in one other thought - I'd reccommend getting your instrument rating in a round-dial aircraft. You will have to developd much better situational awareness than I think you would in a glass aircraft. Certainly it's more difficult, but that's the point. Absolutely become proficient on a glass avionics system as well, but I think skill you will gain learning the "old fashioned" way will serve you well regardless of what type aircraft you end up flying.
07-18-2009, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier
I'll throw in one other thought - I'd reccommend getting your instrument rating in a round-dial aircraft. You will have to developd much better situational awareness than I think you would in a glass aircraft. Certainly it's more difficult, but that's the point. Absolutely become proficient on a glass avionics system as well, but I think skill you will gain learning the "old fashioned" way will serve you well regardless of what type aircraft you end up flying.
07-18-2009, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier
I'm going to pretty much repeat the same things everyone else has said, but I'll do so just to add my little bit of agreement to all of them:
WAY too expensive, particularly given todays market. I haven't been there, but I have heard the same thing about the lack of overall diversity (not just M/F, but intermixing with people in other fields of study. That is part of the true university experience, and you won't get it there.
My suggestion for a 12-step program:
Step one - Look at a map and determine what state you live in.
Step two - Find out what state schools there are in that state.
Step three - Pick a field of study which might interest you and doesn't have the word aviation anywhere in it's name.
Step four - Look at the schools from step two and determine which ones offer the field of study you chose in step three.
Step five - Select schools from the list in step four in order of preference based on other factors of your choosing, such as location, M/F ratio, access to a FBO or Part 141 school, ect.
Step six - Take the money you save from not going to Riddle and get your ratings at said FBO or 141 school.
Step seven - Get your CFI and instruct while in college. Learn far more about flying than a 300 hour wonder, including how to not get killed in an aircraft.
Step eight - Graduate with a marketable degree AND your pilot ratings AND WITHOUT debt that could have put you through medical school (which would have the promise of some return on that investment.
Step nine - Discover that airlines (and other aviation employers) really don't care what your degree was in, just that you have a Bachelor's from a good school.
Step ten - Bust your butt to find a job.
Step eleven - Have a successful career in or out of aviation.
Step twelve - Retire.
Already having your private is great, you are one step ahead of things in that regard, and you can build flight time without having to pay a school for it - just get checked out in an inexpensive rental somewhere.
Virtually any non Ivy-league school will be cheaper than Riddle. Don't buy into that "Harvard of the Skies" crap - many make fun of Riddle grads because they are perceived as having a silver spoon in their mouth and a attitude to match (I'm not saying all Riddle grads are, but that is a very real perception among many. I've personally met both Riddle grads that were great, and some that were tools - just like anyplace).
Regarding the degree to choose - again refer to step three. For aviation, it won't matter if it's a degree in classical literature, history, pre-med, or physics. I personally would recommend you pick something that both interets you in general and you would consider for a career if aviation doesn't work out.
I'll throw in one other thought - I'd reccommend getting your instrument rating in a round-dial aircraft. You will have to developd much better situational awareness than I think you would in a glass aircraft. Certainly it's more difficult, but that's the point. Absolutely become proficient on a glass avionics system as well, but I think skill you will gain learning the "old fashioned" way will serve you well regardless of what type aircraft you end up flying.
WAY too expensive, particularly given todays market. I haven't been there, but I have heard the same thing about the lack of overall diversity (not just M/F, but intermixing with people in other fields of study. That is part of the true university experience, and you won't get it there.
My suggestion for a 12-step program:
Step one - Look at a map and determine what state you live in.
Step two - Find out what state schools there are in that state.
Step three - Pick a field of study which might interest you and doesn't have the word aviation anywhere in it's name.
Step four - Look at the schools from step two and determine which ones offer the field of study you chose in step three.
Step five - Select schools from the list in step four in order of preference based on other factors of your choosing, such as location, M/F ratio, access to a FBO or Part 141 school, ect.
Step six - Take the money you save from not going to Riddle and get your ratings at said FBO or 141 school.
Step seven - Get your CFI and instruct while in college. Learn far more about flying than a 300 hour wonder, including how to not get killed in an aircraft.
Step eight - Graduate with a marketable degree AND your pilot ratings AND WITHOUT debt that could have put you through medical school (which would have the promise of some return on that investment.
Step nine - Discover that airlines (and other aviation employers) really don't care what your degree was in, just that you have a Bachelor's from a good school.
Step ten - Bust your butt to find a job.
Step eleven - Have a successful career in or out of aviation.
Step twelve - Retire.
Already having your private is great, you are one step ahead of things in that regard, and you can build flight time without having to pay a school for it - just get checked out in an inexpensive rental somewhere.
Virtually any non Ivy-league school will be cheaper than Riddle. Don't buy into that "Harvard of the Skies" crap - many make fun of Riddle grads because they are perceived as having a silver spoon in their mouth and a attitude to match (I'm not saying all Riddle grads are, but that is a very real perception among many. I've personally met both Riddle grads that were great, and some that were tools - just like anyplace).
Regarding the degree to choose - again refer to step three. For aviation, it won't matter if it's a degree in classical literature, history, pre-med, or physics. I personally would recommend you pick something that both interets you in general and you would consider for a career if aviation doesn't work out.
I'll throw in one other thought - I'd reccommend getting your instrument rating in a round-dial aircraft. You will have to developd much better situational awareness than I think you would in a glass aircraft. Certainly it's more difficult, but that's the point. Absolutely become proficient on a glass avionics system as well, but I think skill you will gain learning the "old fashioned" way will serve you well regardless of what type aircraft you end up flying.
What he said. Really good advice. I'm a ERAU grad and if I could do it all again I would have gone to my state's college (they offered pretty much full ride to me) for an engineering degree and fly at an FBO. Don't get an aviation degree, it's not worth it, unless you really really want to learn every little detail about flying there is. If that's the case, read a book.
07-18-2009, 06:10 PM
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I think Fred has posted in here before that for young people the best route is to go the military route and get an education while also learning how to fly.
It's better to be out of 'DEBT' when one makes the jump to the civilian side of flying .
Hope this helps .
Ally
It's better to be out of 'DEBT' when one makes the jump to the civilian side of flying .
Hope this helps .
Ally
07-18-2009, 07:32 PM
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I went to Riddle, but did it mostly online. It was much cheaper that way. I also went to the University of Cincinnati (Sporty's flight training). All in all it was about $60K worth of battle damage. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone to THE Ohio State University (Meteorology Degree) and ratings on the side. I missed out on the 'big school' experience, don't make the same mistakes I did. Get a degree in something other than aviation; I have two and they are both worthless! Luckily I'm self taught in IT, so that is serving as my backup right now.
07-18-2009, 08:00 PM
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Another important point - IF you choose to attend a university with an aviation program (again, pick the school based on the academic criteria OTHER than an aviation program): I don't know about all schools, but at some, the bottleneck is in the flight training portion - there are plenty of chairs available in the groundschools. You will gain more knowledge which you will use in the long term by focusing on being in quality groundschools (those that teach knowledge, not just passing a FAA written) than sweating the flight training. Not to discount the importance of quality flight instruction (by any means), but 10-20 years down the road it will be the knowledge you gained in subject areas covered in a good groundschool that you draw from routinely - you'll have had years and thousands of hours to refine the basic mechanics of moving the controls. While we all take pride in how well we maneuver the aircraft (and again, that is certainly important), it's the knowledge, reasoning, and decision making skills that truly set a professional pilot apart.
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