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02-04-2010, 05:12 PM

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FAA Order 8900.2 (DPE Handbook) states that the examiner shall use only published IAP's when giving practical tests.

02-06-2010, 07:08 AM

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FAA Order 8900.2 (DPE Handbook) states that the examiner shall use only published IAP's when giving practical tests.

The FSDO said no as well, do you know exactly where it states that? I'm going need all the ammo I can get.

02-06-2010, 12:21 PM

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Why deal with the aggravation. Have your applicant go rent a plane with a GPS or NDB and be done with it.

02-06-2010, 08:10 PM

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The FSDO said no as well, do you know exactly where it states that? I'm going need all the ammo I can get.

I really hope you are not going to do this and then try and use the same examiner. Like it or not I guarantee you he will fail your student.

02-06-2010, 08:44 PM

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I really hope you are not going to do this and then try and use the same examiner. Like it or not I guarantee you he will fail your student.

I know, I'm in a bad spot with his one, hes our 135 and 141 CP. He's also an examiner and taking the student to someone else would make him just as mad, and probably cause anyone else I send his way to fail. But at the same time I'm not looking to hang my neck out that far. If I had to sit in a room and argue my point about all this I'd rather it be sitting across from an examiner than a inspector.

What would you do?

02-06-2010, 11:58 PM

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Bring your concern up to him, if he is not budging have your student shoot the approach after you practice a few with him. If the examiner tries to bust your student on something stupid then I would involve the FSDO. Until that happens I like to deal w/ the Fed's as little as possible.

02-07-2010, 07:08 AM

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Maybe I missed something: are there no other airports nearby your student can use for the non-prec approaches? I remember using a couple of different airports during my instrument ride.

Can you link the ILS you're referring to?

02-08-2010, 03:59 PM

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The exact Reference is: FAA Order 8900.2, Page 7-96, Paragraph 82

02-23-2010, 05:24 PM

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The exact Reference is: FAA Order 8900.2, Page 7-96, Paragraph 82

So I talked to the examiner today and he said he has the authority to give any set of minimums he wants, and then used the example "just like a tower can give you different missed approach instructions" he also went on to say every instrument student does this in our area because we only have one type of non-precision approach unless you have a IFR GPS, which we don't in our airplanes. I talked to an instructor who has since moved on and he said his students would do 2 VOR's and 1 ILS for the checkride? Maybe hes got some deal from the FSDO that allows this?

Thought I had a handle on this. But apparently not. If anyone could provide a reg or some other evidence that this is legit I'd appreciate it.

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03-18-2010, 01:23 PM

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Not that it matters because I'm sure this is long since resolved, but I'd like to add.... Are you nuts? You're going to pick a fight with an examiner just to prove how right you are? If anything really went wrong it's obviously on the examiner not you. If the examiner wants to do something like that and it's not dangerous, just let him do it. I'm guessing you're a new CFI because if you've been bashing you head against a wall like this for awhile I can't believe you've continued to instruct. I hate to say it but the path of least resistance is the way to go on this one.