CRM with the DE
07-02-2010, 07:45 PM
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CRM with the DE
While training for my PPL checkride, I remember my instructor telling me it's okay to hand the sectional to the DE (just like I did with him) since I would use the right seat to place it when flying solo. During my checkride, when I asked the DE if he could please hold my map, he looked at me funny, but did it anyway. I thought I was being incompetent and felt rather embarrassed. Thoughts?
07-03-2010, 06:42 AM
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The examiner I used for my private/instruments rides specifically told me that he is a resource in the cockpit that can be used, he just can't help me with the ride. All the examiners I've ridden with have used the "I'm your uncle who doesn't know anything about flying" example. Things like holding maps/helping spot traffic arn't against the rules to the best of my knowledge.
07-03-2010, 07:37 AM
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It depends on the DPE... some of them don't mind doing things that any passenger would usually do, like holding charts etc. There are some examiners out there (usually from the FSDO) who won't help you and simply say, "I'm not here" before the checkride begins.
I've never asked the DPE to help me with CRM stuff like holding charts but even if I did, I bet that no one would refuse. The pre-take off briefing is a perfect time to ask. If you just ask them to hold a chart, it probably catches them off guard, hence the "funny look".
Cockpit management, especially in IFR, is critical. Not to mention that holding charts is one thing, asking the DPE to pull your approach plates for you, start your time or read the checklist for you in a single pilot airplane is another thing.
I've never asked the DPE to help me with CRM stuff like holding charts but even if I did, I bet that no one would refuse. The pre-take off briefing is a perfect time to ask. If you just ask them to hold a chart, it probably catches them off guard, hence the "funny look".
Cockpit management, especially in IFR, is critical. Not to mention that holding charts is one thing, asking the DPE to pull your approach plates for you, start your time or read the checklist for you in a single pilot airplane is another thing.
07-03-2010, 07:42 AM
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Ask the question during thr brief to find out that DPE's thoughts on the subject. Most will probably act as any non-pilot pax would. Don't forget to brief seatbelts, doors, traffic lookout, and other safety items.
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