SIC or Dual time???
04-10-2011, 02:05 PM
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I understand Dual time, PC and IPC meaning.
Since I was working for my country government as a pilot, and we had a Department rule to fly by 2 pilots on King air. (PIC and Copilot)
So I thought I can add King air copilot flight hours according to FAR 61.51.-f-2, “the regulation under which the flight is being conducted.”
I read part135.101, and I came to understood what FAR want to say.
By the way,
Does FAR have PIC U/S, PUS (pilot in command under supervision) or
P1US definition?
I guess PIC U/S, PUS and P1US definition are equal to Part61.51.e-1-iii.
Does PIC time (FAA) include PUS & P1US time definition?
04-10-2011, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by blue34
Since I was working for my country government as a pilot, and we had a Department rule to fly by 2 pilots on King air. (PIC and Copilot)
I suspect the FAA would allow your logged SIC time conducted under the foreign equivalent of a 135/121 OPSPEC.
However...just because your employer requires a second pilot does NOT mean that is an OPSPEC or equivalent foreign requirement, even if the employer is a government agency.
I think the determining factor would be the written document which required the second pilot. If it was an internal policy, memo, or procedure with no oversight or certification from your country's FAA-equivalent organization than it would probably not rise to the level of an OPSPEC requirement.
If the document is your country's equivalent of an OPSPEC, and is approved by your FAA-equivalent organization then you are probably legal.
If you happened to work FOR your FAA-equivalent agency, then you could probably claim that any such written policy had the force of regulation.
I'm just guessing how the FAA would approach it.
US employers on the other hand might flat-out refuse to allow SIC time in a one-pilot airplane unless it was acquired at a US 135 or 121 operator. They don't have the resources or inclination to research the details of such a claim. I would be careful with this...if there is any suspicion that you are claiming bogus foreign flight time, they will show you the door. Logged SIC in a King Air is certainly going to make them ask the question.
There is an FAA provision to acquire time as "SIC performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a PIC". This is logged as SIC time and is only used for one specific purpose: the ATP rating. See FAR 61.159.
04-13-2011, 03:19 AM
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Thank you rickair7777
Thank you rickair7777, I got it!
I have enough flying hours, but I thought it would be fine if I could add this flight experience as total flying hours.
I don’t have a plan to work in US, but I am now planning to go US for get FAA license.
I decided that I will not claim about this hour in US. Thank you for your detailed explanation!
04-13-2011, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OrionFE
What about US companies such as, L3 or Dynamic that fly King Air's oversea's that require 2 pilots? That is not Part 135 is it? Can the SIC's log time?
04-13-2011, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OrionFE
...those OPSPECS require 2 pilots.
04-14-2011, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OrionFE
I think that would be one for the Aviation Lawyers, as those are Govt. contracts and those OPSPECS require 2 pilots.
04-14-2011, 07:39 AM
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What NGD said. OPSPEC = yes.
Government contract, super-secret squirrel TLA ops, without a 135/121 cert and OPSPEC = no it does not legally count.
An OPSPEC is an extension of the FAR's so any requirement therein is regulatory. Internal policy from other government agencies dose not rise to the level of federal regulation.
Now I have seen guys doing TLA ops who could not log their flight time in their personal book because of classification issues. In that case the employer would usually provide a formal letter at the end of their service detailing the type, amount, and time frame of the hours logged without getting into sensitive specifics like exact dates and locations. They might not even divulge the exact aircraft type, but might use general terms. If said employer is willing to give you a letter detailing SIC time, that would work for me. Given the nature of those missions I personally would have no trouble accepting that as flight time, with a letter in hand.
Government contract, super-secret squirrel TLA ops, without a 135/121 cert and OPSPEC = no it does not legally count.
An OPSPEC is an extension of the FAR's so any requirement therein is regulatory. Internal policy from other government agencies dose not rise to the level of federal regulation.
Now I have seen guys doing TLA ops who could not log their flight time in their personal book because of classification issues. In that case the employer would usually provide a formal letter at the end of their service detailing the type, amount, and time frame of the hours logged without getting into sensitive specifics like exact dates and locations. They might not even divulge the exact aircraft type, but might use general terms. If said employer is willing to give you a letter detailing SIC time, that would work for me. Given the nature of those missions I personally would have no trouble accepting that as flight time, with a letter in hand.
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