Gulfstream - Job Guarentee
02-01-2007, 07:28 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by sflpilot
Rightseater, you don't get paid to build time at Gulfstream. You buy the time by paying them. So you are flying straight through thunderstorms and hurricanes, I don't think so. Two CRJ's have already been destroyed at the hands of former Gulfstream academy pilots.
Case 1: Incompetent fools playing with airplane at FL410.
Result: People in a Missouri neighborhood end up with a jet engine in their back yard and their home soaked with JETA.
Case 2: Pilot attempts takeoff from wrong runway with no lights in the dark.
Result: Everyone onboard dead except for the pilot flying who is now seriously disabled. The captain does share some responsibility in this case.
GULFSTREAM pilots have already done enough damage!
Case 1: Incompetent fools playing with airplane at FL410.
Result: People in a Missouri neighborhood end up with a jet engine in their back yard and their home soaked with JETA.
Case 2: Pilot attempts takeoff from wrong runway with no lights in the dark.
Result: Everyone onboard dead except for the pilot flying who is now seriously disabled. The captain does share some responsibility in this case.
GULFSTREAM pilots have already done enough damage!
Very interesting, I didn't know that. Come to think of it the one GIA grad that I know is a cocky little tool with an attitude the size of the grand canyone (which by the way, is coming up on the left side of the aircraft...)
02-01-2007, 08:16 AM
#32
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I have a friend who did the gulfstream stuff. He got hired at like 500 hrs with Colgan after that and even got the 340 instead of the 1900. (This was almost 2 years ago, when the mins for regionals were still around 1000.) But he said there is absolutely no guarantee in it, many of his classmates were jobless.
02-01-2007, 10:19 AM
#33
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"I'm no longer posting regarding this issue"
Oh, please don't leave. You never addressed the lack of integrity in the issue of paying to do a job that anywhere else would be a paid, entry level, position. It's bad for the industry.
Oh, please don't leave. You never addressed the lack of integrity in the issue of paying to do a job that anywhere else would be a paid, entry level, position. It's bad for the industry.
02-04-2007, 04:12 PM
#34
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The real problem with PFT is:
Today: Pilot "A" takes a CFI, banner tow, etc. job to make a few buck and
get some flight time. He wants to earn his wings, not buy them
Pilot "B" goes PFT. If we ASSUME the PFT propaganda is true, B gets
a job flying in the right seat somewhere and ends up ahead of "A"
Tomarrow: "A" is still clawing his way along trying to advance
"B" is trying to advance to Southwest, but can't get a job because...
Pilot "C" comes along and has done PFT at the regionals and found
some low budget 121 flying 737s and they also have PFT. C flys with
them for a while then gets the interview with SWA because he paid
for his right seat time and the type himself. He doesn't seem to care
that it will take him most of his carreer to pay off his debt: he is
"livin' the life"
If you find a way to get into a shinny jet faster for just a few bucks, someone else will find a way to get there even quicker for a few more bucks.
Lets be honest folks: we pilots are all *****s. The only question is do you want to be a high class call-girl a crack-head?
Today: Pilot "A" takes a CFI, banner tow, etc. job to make a few buck and
get some flight time. He wants to earn his wings, not buy them
Pilot "B" goes PFT. If we ASSUME the PFT propaganda is true, B gets
a job flying in the right seat somewhere and ends up ahead of "A"
Tomarrow: "A" is still clawing his way along trying to advance
"B" is trying to advance to Southwest, but can't get a job because...
Pilot "C" comes along and has done PFT at the regionals and found
some low budget 121 flying 737s and they also have PFT. C flys with
them for a while then gets the interview with SWA because he paid
for his right seat time and the type himself. He doesn't seem to care
that it will take him most of his carreer to pay off his debt: he is
"livin' the life"
If you find a way to get into a shinny jet faster for just a few bucks, someone else will find a way to get there even quicker for a few more bucks.
Lets be honest folks: we pilots are all *****s. The only question is do you want to be a high class call-girl a crack-head?
03-09-2007, 03:59 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"I'm no longer posting regarding this issue"
Oh, please don't leave. You never addressed the lack of integrity in the issue of paying to do a job that anywhere else would be a paid, entry level, position. It's bad for the industry.
Oh, please don't leave. You never addressed the lack of integrity in the issue of paying to do a job that anywhere else would be a paid, entry level, position. It's bad for the industry.
03-09-2007, 05:41 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Lobmoth1
My old roommate just went through Gulfstream and his "guaranteed" job has him flying once a month... not much of a job if you ask me. He's the only person I've known who's gone through GSA so maybe he's just unlucky... anybody know for sure???
Last edited by ToiletDuck; 03-09-2007 at 06:31 PM.
03-09-2007, 05:44 PM
#37
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ok lets see...
1. Scab infested? We don't have any pilots on our seniority list that are scabs.
1. Scab infested? We don't have any pilots on our seniority list that are scabs.
2. No student pilots are flying at gulfstream.
I'm not going to argue with you over which is harder dealing with Level 5 and 6 t-storms and hurricanes in the summer
If you're flying in that then your lack of judgment and experience more than shout your inexperience.
Upgrade at gulfstream are currently as soon as you meet ATP mins
You come here with 1000 hours, then you're looking at upgrading about 5 months after you start flying the line
Are you working somewhere where the upgrade is quicker than that?
Now you flight instruct...we'll say for three years. Say you make 30k/year, thats pretty good for a CFI. Maybe you end up with 1500/100me after three years, you're set to go to the regionals.
a comm multi pilot goes to GTA, where she is PAID to build time..
three years down the road she's got her ATP and is a captain logging multi turbine PIC, and has made around 25k on year one, and 50k on year two, 55k on year three
So you're arguement that its so much more expensive to go to GTA doesn't really seem to make much sense....
You spent $30k. During your hrs with your progam you get $7-$8 an hr. for your 250hrs. So that's $28,000 in the red. Flippin Sweet!!!
Actually no, the pay that i quoted is actually dead on. Pilots credit around 120hrs/month. first year FO pay is just under 19...do the math...if you add per diem which is 1.40/hr, then fo's make more like 30K, but i don't think per diem should be counted as part of your pay.
I've been flying in katrina, wilma, and 3 Tropical Storms. Trust me, a tropical storm is some pretty solid IMC.
Last edited by ToiletDuck; 03-09-2007 at 06:17 PM.
03-10-2007, 06:16 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
A scab is someone that undercuts his fellow pilots. By paying for your job you sir are giving the industry no reason to get better. So yes scab
03-10-2007, 09:15 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by POPA
No, a scab is somebody who crossed the line during a strike.
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