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01-25-2007, 03:54 PM

#71

samc

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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot

Interesting, $9,500 for your PPL, ATP charges $8,995 for your PPL. So a difference of $505, I guess ATP is in on raping students too. But instead of paying 4k too much, you would have only paid 3.5k too much.

Don't forget that you get 85 hours (45 of which is cross country after your checkride) obviously it varies based on completion time for private checkride.

not to mention that XC is simulated instrument, getting you ready for the career phase...

apples to apples

01-25-2007, 04:07 PM

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LAfrequentflyer

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Originally Posted by samc

Thanks...You're right. At www.allatps.com you get a good deal. WOW, I didn't realize how good a deal...

-LAFF

01-25-2007, 04:11 PM

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Puppyz

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hahaha damn this is getting ridiculous

01-25-2007, 04:17 PM

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Slice

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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer

Thanks...You're right. At www.allatps.com you get a good deal. WOW, I didn't realize how good a deal...

-LAFF

www.prairieairservice.com, a better deal!

01-25-2007, 04:24 PM

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Uncle Bose

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The best deal of all:

http://www.erau.edu/db/flightdb/index.html

01-25-2007, 06:29 PM

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NE_Pilot

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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer

You missed my point. At ATP you're quoted a fixed price not strung alone so some CFI can build time on your dime.

Had I kown about this site I would have done my research. Had I known about ATP I would have gone there.

-LAFF

Yet the price is essentially the same, for the same rating. If you are getting strung along/raped at the FBO, then it has to be the same at ATP if the price is the same for the same rating.

What do you think CFIs at ATP do?? They are building time on your dime, they aren't doing it for free. It is the same, the difference is that at the FBO you can do it for less. At ATP you pay the fixed price and to get the most out of it, you have to pass your checkride in the exact minimum time required.

01-25-2007, 06:36 PM

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NE_Pilot

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Originally Posted by samc

I heard that half of that XC time is Safety Pilot time, so effectively you get half of that in actual flight experience, the rest is sitting there watching out for other aircraft. Although I am not postive on that.

Either way you have to do your research, and find what will work for you. ATP works for some and not for others. FBOs may be the best bet for some. To blanketly claim that all FBOs are inferior and out to rob you is being just plain ignorant. There is no right way or wrong way, and there is no best way to do it. If there was a best way to do it, then the vast majority would be doing it that way, which is not the case.

01-26-2007, 03:27 AM

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LAfrequentflyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NE_Pilot

At ATP you pay the fixed price and to get the most out of it, you have to pass your checkride in the exact minimum time required.

Thank you for writing the above statement. You have to work hard and pass at min. time - which is all that is required by the FAA to be awarded your ratings. There is no need to be logging anything beyond the published FAA mins for flight training. Doing so is a waste of your money.

-LAFF

01-26-2007, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot

Not true. The FAA and the industry value safety time as a legitimate way for pilots to hone their SA and communications skills. However, it all depends on the two pilots and how effectively they utilize their time in the air. As far as the FAA and industry are concerned the time is valuable.

-LAFF

01-26-2007, 03:32 AM

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LAfrequentflyer

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bose

The best deal of all:

http://www.erau.edu/db/flightdb/index.html

LOL...

The Embry-Riddle flight training program provides the actual hands-on flight experience segment for our four-year Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Science degree.

Our approach to aviation education gives our students The Embry-Riddle Edge -- added value over other collegiate flight training programs -- an edge that lands our students the best jobs in the aviation industry.

Here's why: The flight program at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is more than just a way to earn ratings -- it is a true professional pilot course. Students fly in an airline- or corporate-style environment: they are professionally dispatched and supervised and use flight procedures that closely resemble those of the airlines.