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Old 12-22-2006, 11:31 AM   #1  
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Talking Beyond Hourly Payscales and Guarantees

Hopefully this won't turn into some sort of flame-fest (that's the reason I'm posting this here instead of FI.com). When I started at my first airline (American Eagle) I didn't know too much about work rules, etc. And for that matter, I had no idea of what questions to ask when I was interviewing.

A while back a friend of mine called to tell me that he had accepted a position at an airline which will remain nameless, but has a reputation for some really crappy work rules. While I was trying to be enthusiastic and happy for him, I asked him if he knew anything about compensation, days off, etc. He said no and I finally got around to asking him why he decided to work there. He said, "They called me back". Anyway, I'm glad that he got the job, but I felt that he was seriously under-informed and may have made a better decision if he had more information available to him.

That's why I decided to create this thread. I am putting this information out solely for comparison purposes and without bias towards or against SkyWest. I'd like to see other people at different airlines add their information too (or other SkyWest people to add things that I may have gotten wrong or left out).

I would also like to add that compensation is only one part of the puzzle, but I figure that the more information that is available, the more informed a new pilot can be about which company best fits his/her situation. Please don't turn this into a "Your company sucks/ALPA rules/sucks" thread...


SkyWest Airlines
Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...c/skywest.html
RJ rates increase by 1% as of 1/1/07

RJ Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
RJ Reserve guarantee: 75 hours

EMB120 line guarantee: 80 hours
EMB120 reserve guarantee: 75 hours

Per Diem Rate: $1.60

Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
  • Scheduled historical block time
  • Actual block time flown
  • 2:1 duty pay (based on scheduled duty time)
  • Min daily guarantee of 3:45 (Except on CDOs)
Plus 1:1 pay for all scheduled duty over 12 hours

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay

5% (2007) "BHO-Block Hour Override" pay for legs scheduled/flown on the CR7/CR9
BHO increases 1% every year until 2010

New Hires:
  • Double Occupancy Hotel
  • Uniforms Supplied
  • Jepps Supplied
  • Pay during training (can't remember the # of hours, anyone?)
  • Once aircraft training is complete, you begin receiving monthly gty. until the end of IOE
  • No per diem (except on IOE flights)

Paid Holidays (Paid at 4:18 credit, after 90 days of service)
  • New Year’s Day
  • Memorial Day
  • Fourth of July
  • Labor Day
  • Thanksgiving Day
  • Christmas Day
User Time Accrual Rate (User time can be used for sick days, personal days, etc.)
  • After ninety days .0193 per hour
  • After two years .027 per hour
  • After five years .0385 per hour

Vacation Accrual Rate
  • After six months .0385 per hour
  • After five years .0462 per hour
  • After ten years .0577 per hour
  • After fifteen years .0615 per hour
  • After sixteen years .0654 per hour
  • After seventeen years .0692 per hour
  • After eighteen years .0731 per hour
  • After nineteen years .0769 per hour

Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:

Various health plans - PPO,HMO,High Deductible (after 90 days)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20.50-$151.58/pay period)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service provided through Intermountain Health Care (IHC). The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (after 90 days) $4.78-$13.41/pay period

Vision (available to new hires immediately)
($2.77-$7.38/pay period)

Flexible Spending Accounts

Disability
Short-term ($3.99-$11.95/pay period)
Long-term (paid by SkyWest)

Life Insurance (free after 90 days)
$20,000 coverage for employee, $5,000 for spouse, and $2,500 for dependents
$20,000 AD&D for employee

Legal and Financial Planing Services (after 90 days)
($8.62/pay period)

401k Matching
1-4 yrs service (2%)
5-9 yrs service (4%)
10+ yrs service (6%)

Employee Stock Purchase
The Employee Stock Purchase Plan allows you to purchase SkyWest, Inc. common stock through a payroll deduction at a discounted price. Choose the amount of after-tax dollars deducted from each paycheck. These dollars accumulate over a six-month period and are then used to purchase SkyWest stock at a 15 percent discount from the market price, based on a six-month look back.

Education Savings (available after 90 days)
SkyWest offers a program to assist you in saving for educational costs for you, your children or grandchildren. This plan is a flexible, tax-advantaged 529 college savings plan managed by Alliance Capital. This plan allows you to save through payroll deductions on an after-tax basis for college expenses.

Other Stuff:

No involuntary junior manning

Open time can be picked up at JM pay (150%) as long as the trip starts in the next 10 days. Crew support has the option to deny your request to pick up the open time, but they have to assign it to a reserve right away. If you pick up open time outside of the 10 day window it is straight pay.

Schedules are constructed using a preferential bidding system (PBS). Some like it, some don't. The trick is learning how to use it properly. I screwed up for January and now I only have 11 days off. Boo. Personally, I like it better than the hard lines because it's easier to get a couple specific days off without having to limit your options severely. PBS will build a schedule with no more than 20 duty days in a month, i.e. (10-11 days guaranteed off depending on whether it's a 30 or 31 day bid period).

Automated trip trades and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via company web site.

Excellent company web site. I can't even begin to tell you how much better I like it compared to SABRE (at American Eagle). Very easy to use. And we can keep an e-mail longer than one day! haha (Eagle guys know what I'm talking about)
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:42 AM   #2  
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Good post!

Work rules are the one intangible that individual pilots, and even pilots as a group, have a very difficult time placing a value on. Ask a United (DAL, NWA) Pilot how important duty rigs are these days Rate of pay clearly has an impact on an individual pilot's W2 earnings, although work rules will allow him to have the time off to enjoy a reasonable quality of life.
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Old 12-22-2006, 02:26 PM   #3  
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Any idea how this compares to what ASA currently has?
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Old 12-22-2006, 02:39 PM   #4  
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Excellent info and thanks for posting B.R.

Anyone have information on Comair, XJet, and Pinnacle.

Thanks.

-LAFF
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:12 PM   #5  
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I'll post Comair's, butwith everything going on with the 1113, I'm not exactly sure what the specifics are going to be. I can tell you that it is going to be LESS than that posted of SkyWest's by Burt.
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:20 PM   #6  
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That is a damn great post! Great job. Now, if anyone can duplicate the quality for ASA or Pinnacle or anyone else would be awesome!
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:50 PM   #7  
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Mine is slim in regards to specifics on health care/insurence costs but the rest is a good idea of similar information.... Hope it helps.

Current stuff with charter included....

ExpressJet Airlines

Current Payscales:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airli...xpressjet.html

Contract through 11/30/2010
Rates increase by 3% per year each 12/1/xx

Pilots: 2631 online as of 12/22/06 (about 200+ others somewhere in the training cycle) 2800 total give or take

Most Junior CA by base with date of hire:
EWR: (09/13/2004)
IAH: (07/26/2004)
CLE: (05/10/2004)

CHARTER Most Junior Date of Hire:
CA: (03/1997)
FO: (11/2004)

Future planned Upgrades:
December: 64
January: 64
February: 32


Monthly guarantee: 75 hours
Reserve guarantee: 75 hours
Charter Guarantee: 90 hours

Charter pays: applicable pay plus $18/hour override.
Minimum 5.5 hours per day at override rate.

Per Diem Rate: $1.65
(increases by $0.05 yearly each 12/1)

SCHEDULING:
Regular lines: Min 12 days off per bid period
Reserve: Min 11 days off per 30 day bid period
Min 12 days off per 31 day bid period
Charter: Min 14 days off per bid period


Compensation:
Paid the greater of:
• Scheduled block time
• Actual block time flown by segment
• Min daily guarantee of 3:00

100% cancelation pay
100% deadhead pay


New Hires:

• Double Occupancy Hotel
• Uniforms are Payroll Deduct
• Jepps Supplied
• Per Diem during training $1500 (+/-)
• Once PC is complete, you begin receiving MMG (minimum monthly guarantee)
• Positive space travel provided to and from training and Home of record

Other pay Credits
• Drug Alcohol testing (30 minutes pay)
• CBT / Home study (1 hour pay for 2 hour study)
• Profit Sharing
• On-time bonuses from CAL




Vacation Accrual Rate
• Year 1: 7 days (7/12 days per month)
• Year 2-6: 14 days (14/12 days per month)
• Year 7-10: 21 days (21/12 days per month)
• Year 11+: 28 days (28/12 days per month)
Pay is 3.75 hours per day.

Uniforms:
$150/year uniform allowance

Benefits:

Various health plans – (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment)
Available plans depend on location and level of coverage ($20 and up depending on # covered and deductible)

Employee Assistance Plan (free)
The Employee Assistance Program (EAP) is designed to help you and your family deal with personal difficulties. The EAP is a professional, confidential counseling service. The EAP will determine whether they will manage your care directly or if you will be referred to a provider in your area. Your consultations will be kept confidential.

Dental (starts 1st day of 3rd month of employment) Cost…
Vision $5-15/mo
Flexible Spending Accounts

Disability
Short-term
Long-term

Life Insurance
Legal and Financial Planing Services

401k Matching
1-5 yrs service 100% up to 4%
5-9 yrs service 100% up to 5%
10+ yrs service 100% up to 6%


Other Stuff:


Junior Manning is at 150% of the greater of:
- 3.75 Hours per duty period
-Trip pay as calculated

RED FLAGGED Open time can be picked up by lineholders at JM pay (150%).

Bidding can be done via online system. Bid via default (line number order), or assign values to re-order the lines for yourself. You can pick how you want them ordered based on line value, types of trips (1day / 2day), days off, etc. etc.

Automated trip trades, trip advertisements, and picking up of dropped trips of other crew members and open time via crew web site. Some websites will be changing as we become more independent and use less of CAL’s infrastructure.
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Great posts!!! APC should consider including this info on airline profiles.
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Hey Burt,

How does the holiday pay work? What if you work on any of those holidays? Do you get the greater of the two?
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I'm pretty sure that it is paid in addition to any work that you do on that day (if you work the actual holiday). I didn't work Thanksgiving, but alas I wasn't so lucky with Xmas so I'll be finding out for sure soon.

From the Policy Manual:
Crewmembers with ninety (90) days of employment and who have not called in sick on the day before, day of, or day after a holiday are eligible for holiday pay. Each crewmember will be compensated at a rate of four hours and eighteen minutes (4:18) at their current hourly rate of pay for each holiday. Crewmembers with less than ninety (90) days of employment do not qualify for paid holidays. However, should they work on a holiday, he/she will be paid one and one half (1˝) times their hourly wage. Holidays will be paid within the pay period in which it falls with the Company recognizing the following holidays: (previosly listed)
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