Gear up landing with CFI
#1
Gear up landing with CFI
Hi guys,
We ( me and my instructor ) had an incident, gear up landing. It was my second flight in Arrow, working on complex aircraft endorsement. The circumstances were a bit unusual, everything happened too fast, plus the gear warning horn didn't work after full flaps extended, so we're overlooked the three greens and landed gear up. FAA visited the school and interviewed only my instructor and told him to do 907 ride and his record is going show this incident for 5 years. They never talked to me. Chief pilot called and asked me how many hours I have in type, last 90 days and last year. My question is how it will affect my record?
Thank you!
We ( me and my instructor ) had an incident, gear up landing. It was my second flight in Arrow, working on complex aircraft endorsement. The circumstances were a bit unusual, everything happened too fast, plus the gear warning horn didn't work after full flaps extended, so we're overlooked the three greens and landed gear up. FAA visited the school and interviewed only my instructor and told him to do 907 ride and his record is going show this incident for 5 years. They never talked to me. Chief pilot called and asked me how many hours I have in type, last 90 days and last year. My question is how it will affect my record?
Thank you!
#2
Commercial Pilot
Joined APC: Jul 2010
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Since you were working on your endorsement that means you were not yet endorsed in the aircraft yet at the point of the accident. I don't think you can be PIC of an aircraft for which you are not type rated or endorsed to fly in. That being said, your instructor was PIC of that aircraft. It will affect him for sure. Not sure how it will affect you though.
#4
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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Since you were working on your endorsement that means you were not yet endorsed in the aircraft yet at the point of the accident. I don't think you can be PIC of an aircraft for which you are not type rated or endorsed to fly in. That being said, your instructor was PIC of that aircraft. It will affect him for sure. Not sure how it will affect you though.
Are you going to be a commercial/professional pilot?
(Take a deep breath, I have good news compared to your CFI. Even he/she can follow this below actually, and be just fine in todays market)
I ask because in future job applications you may be asked "Have you ever been involved in an aircraft accident or incident?". You would be wise to tell the truth, involving this incident/accident. Since the FAA talked to you there is a record of it. Even more than 5 years from now, it can easily be found. (Tell the truth, employers dont like people who hide stuff knowingly when asked a direct question)
In the eyes of the FAA you are %100 not liable. I mean, it was your first lesson or two in a retractable, and your CFI didnt make sure the gear was down. The mud isnt on your hands here. End of story.
But....Yes you were the student, not type rated or endorsed... However you were a licensed pilot in a single engine aircraft, and could have prevented the accident.
This sort of thing wont negatively affect you in the future. Easily explainable, plus you can explain how you learned a valuable lesson you wont soon forget, and no violations. Just dont hide it. I know I wouldnt.
You are good to go.
(Edit: I see now that they did not talk to you, but this advice still stands IMO since you were in the aircraft)
#5
Hi guys,
We ( me and my instructor ) had an incident, gear up landing. It was my second flight in Arrow, working on complex aircraft endorsement. The circumstances were a bit unusual, everything happened too fast, plus the gear warning horn didn't work after full flaps extended, so we're overlooked the three greens and landed gear up. FAA visited the school and interviewed only my instructor and told him to do 907 ride and his record is going show this incident for 5 years. They never talked to me. Chief pilot called and asked me how many hours I have in type, last 90 days and last year. My question is how it will affect my record?
Thank you!
We ( me and my instructor ) had an incident, gear up landing. It was my second flight in Arrow, working on complex aircraft endorsement. The circumstances were a bit unusual, everything happened too fast, plus the gear warning horn didn't work after full flaps extended, so we're overlooked the three greens and landed gear up. FAA visited the school and interviewed only my instructor and told him to do 907 ride and his record is going show this incident for 5 years. They never talked to me. Chief pilot called and asked me how many hours I have in type, last 90 days and last year. My question is how it will affect my record?
Thank you!
#8
No you are not at fault.
Hint: While you could legally log sole manipulator PIC it might be best not to do so for those two flight! Don't try to erase it if you already logged it though.
Downside is that you will need to check the yes box about incidents (or accidents if enough damage occurred to meet the FAA definition). This will not hurt you at the interview since you were not complex endorsed and had almost no complex time. But it may possibly move your app further down the stack so you might not get called as quickly by the majors. But plenty of other folks have to check various boxes as well.
Hint: While you could legally log sole manipulator PIC it might be best not to do so for those two flight! Don't try to erase it if you already logged it though.
Downside is that you will need to check the yes box about incidents (or accidents if enough damage occurred to meet the FAA definition). This will not hurt you at the interview since you were not complex endorsed and had almost no complex time. But it may possibly move your app further down the stack so you might not get called as quickly by the majors. But plenty of other folks have to check various boxes as well.
#10
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
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Now for the other part- FAA completes Form 8020-23 for accidents. PIC's name will be listed. These forms are a permanent record in the airman's file. It is possible that the student's name will also be listed, but only as an occupant. The OP might want to make a FOIA request to get a copy of the accident report, particularly to see if his name is listed therein.
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