Originally Posted by C12mintz

I know that students who complete UPT (roughly 230 hours) get a PPL, instrument rating, and a commercial license.

Originally Posted by C12mintz

Thanks in advance for any potential help!

I recently washed out of ENJJPT training for flying deficiency in the Formation phase of T-6 training. I had 97 military hours and approx. 18 logged civilian hours from flight screening in Pueblo. I've also had 51 simulator hours, but not sure how/if those count.

While I'm working on reclassification, I'd really like to get my PPL, but I've had a hard time getting good info. I know that students who complete UPT (roughly 230 hours) get a PPL, instrument rating, and a commercial license.

A local flight instructor told me I'd need to spend roughly 6 hours learning the 172, then I could take a written exam and do an FAA Checkride. Another guy told me there might be a way for my 3 (successful) Air Force check rides to count. I took a contact, advanced contact, and instrument check ride in UPT.

I'm in a sort of rare position here, does anyone have any ideas? Who would I reach out to?

Thanks again for all of your help!

Originally Posted by Hc130

Thanks in advance for any potential help! 1st post

I washed out of UPT training last year, after the Instrument phase of T-6 training.
I had 90 military hours and approx. 25 pervious civilian hours.
I've also had 50 simulator hours, but not sure if/how those count.

I Obtained My PPL “Post UPT”
I only had to fly like 10 hrs to get whatever reqs. I didn’t already have.
Right Now I’m interested in civilian career, and I’m trying to get my instrument rating, (Passed the IFR written exam already)


I'm in a sort of rare position here, does anyone have any ideas? What should I do Who would I reach out to?

*I know that students who complete UPT (roughly 230 hours) get a PPL, instrument rating, and a commercial license.



Thanks again for all of your help!

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

Does the single engine T-6 time somehow qualify graduates for a PPL now? Do the T-1 track pilots get a ME commercial without the centerline thrust restriction?

Originally Posted by Ditka

Part 1-yes-sort of.
Part 2-T-1 is not centerline thrust.
Upon completion of T-1 training (winging). You have requisites to get a BE400 type, Instrument, Commercial, ME via a competency exam. I'd have to look at my license, but I think you also get a SE commercial. Don't remember.

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

There was no "instrument rating" since that is already part of the commercial license.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke

The instrument rating is not part of a commercial license. It can be obtained enroute to the commercial, but need not be.

I flew the first five years of my commercial career without an instrument rating.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke

The instrument rating is not part of a commercial license.