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Old 01-28-2016, 12:34 PM
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Default FSDO CFI Renewal for 121 SIC?

Just curious to know if anybody knows or has heard of a FSDO or inspector that will renew a CFI certificate for a current 121 SIC?

I've heard of several FSDOs processing the renewal for current 121 PICs without the need for a FIRC, under the "duties and responsibilities" of 61.197. Just not sure if anybody has heard of them doing it for an SIC.

Would love to avoid having to do a FIRC if I can help it.
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Unless your airline's FOM states that SIC's are to regularly evaluate and instruct PIC's, you may be out of luck.
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It's actually hard to find a FSDO which will renew a (non check-airman) 121 line pilot based on his regulatory duty to instruct FO's. I don't think an SIC even remotely qualifies under the language.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It's actually hard to find a FSDO which will renew a (non check-airman) 121 line pilot based on his regulatory duty to instruct FO's. I don't think an SIC even remotely qualifies under the language.
I believe the language for a Fed to renew on D&R includes "has personal knowledge of the applicant" thus it's difficult to just show up at a FSDO expecting to get a renewal from whoever has the desk duty that day. The exceptions are if you know one of the inspectors, obviously; and some POIs will sign off guys at the carrier they are overseeing - some even will renew FOs that are in the training department. Regular line FOs are pretty much out of luck, just the way it is. Standard disclaimer: YMWV.
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Originally Posted by Flubber View Post
I believe the language for a Fed to renew on D&R includes "has personal knowledge of the applicant" thus it's difficult to just show up at a FSDO expecting to get a renewal from whoever has the desk duty that day. The exceptions are if you know one of the inspectors, obviously; and some POIs will sign off guys at the carrier they are overseeing - some even will renew FOs that are in the training department. Regular line FOs are pretty much out of luck, just the way it is. Standard disclaimer: YMWV.
Exactly. That language is in the 8900.1 order. For best results, talk to your CMO office, which likely would have direct knowledge of your instructional abilities as a 121 PIC.
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Yeah, I figured as much. Knew it was a long shot, but had to ask anyway........thanks
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