Norwegian cancelling 2019 classes?
12-25-2018, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
And it’s funny that you think another money bandage is going to heal the massive, deep gash that keeps gushing blood.
Regardless if the turd survives another round of flushing, one way or another they are deep in the toilet with no question of more crap getting dumped on top of it’s already putrid existence. The only hope is the hole at the bottom of the pot finally gives relief and sets the miserable thing free, never to be seen again.
Regardless if the turd survives another round of flushing, one way or another they are deep in the toilet with no question of more crap getting dumped on top of it’s already putrid existence. The only hope is the hole at the bottom of the pot finally gives relief and sets the miserable thing free, never to be seen again.
12-25-2018, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Other than IAG, there's no one, in spite of what Bjorn Kjos (a pathological liar) may state. Listen to what Michael O'Leary has to say about Norwegian.
Come on.
12-25-2018, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Dude. You would take anything MOL says seriously?
Come on.
Come on.
12-25-2018, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
They only take him seriously if what he says agrees with their desired narrative. Just like the news articles. If it agrees with the desired narrative, then of course it is accurate. If it disputes the desired narrative, then it must be dismissed.
Come on, he's the guy who said they will start to charge people for bathroom use, and that he'll sell standing room tickets on his flights.
12-25-2018, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Don't think some people here realize MOL has been a joke of the industry for ages.
Come on, he's the guy who said they will start to charge people for bathroom use, and that he'll sell standing room tickets on his flights.
Come on, he's the guy who said they will start to charge people for bathroom use, and that he'll sell standing room tickets on his flights.
And we have to admit , that he predicted the bankruptcy of Air Berlin. So he was not so off.
12-26-2018, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunrig
I don’t like MOL as much as you do most probably, but you should realize that the fee for the bathroom was a way to get publicity for his airline. He always comes up with some crazy weird stuff just to get attention.
And we have to admit , that he predicted the bankruptcy of Air Berlin. So he was not so off.
And we have to admit , that he predicted the bankruptcy of Air Berlin. So he was not so off.
12-26-2018, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Lufthansa has confirmed its interest in Norwegian as well.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8404851.html
Where do you get the idea IAG only wants to part out Norwegian? Have you been on the phone with Willie Walsh recently? Most articles have made no mention of IAGs plans for Norwegian, while a recent article has claimed IAG intends to operate it as a "middle cost" level airline, about on par with the Aer Lingus model.
"Walsh’s objective would be to bring Norwegian into the Group’s “middle cost” sector, or to support the Norwegian carrier at Iberia Express and Aer Lingus in that target market that fosters both low cost but is also attractive to the business, also focusing on the good connections that Norwegian makes to the USA."
https://www.eturbonews.com/239596/ia...-norwegian-air
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8404851.html
Where do you get the idea IAG only wants to part out Norwegian? Have you been on the phone with Willie Walsh recently? Most articles have made no mention of IAGs plans for Norwegian, while a recent article has claimed IAG intends to operate it as a "middle cost" level airline, about on par with the Aer Lingus model.
"Walsh’s objective would be to bring Norwegian into the Group’s “middle cost” sector, or to support the Norwegian carrier at Iberia Express and Aer Lingus in that target market that fosters both low cost but is also attractive to the business, also focusing on the good connections that Norwegian makes to the USA."
https://www.eturbonews.com/239596/ia...-norwegian-air
Also note where NAS' stock price was at when that article was written. Now note where it's at. If IAG were interested in buying the company, they could easily do it now at a 40% discount. They're not. They, like Lufthansa, will take the planes at fire sale prices but that's it.
Have you lost your job at WoW? You were pretty junior so I'd imagine you've been cut and are now sniffing around for another job. So you're now looking at Norwegian? You remind me of the Independence Air pilots who went to Skybus. Good luck with that plan.
12-27-2018, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
People had predicting the demise of Air Berlin for about a decade. Predicting the demise of Air Berlin was about as insightful as correctly predicting the rise of the sun tomorrow morning.
On the other hand, I love how you buy into the idea that Norwegian somehow got an additional $30 million for leasing its 787. The problem, of course, is that Arctic Aviation Assets, the leasing company that Norwegian uses, is wholly owned by Norwegian. But sure, they've now got another $30 million in cash by doing a sale/leaseback to themselves on their new 787.
Or that other airlines are interested in buying Norwegian or WoW and continuing to operate them as a going concern.
The business model of TATL LCC has been proven to not work many times since Freddie Laker; Norwegian and WoW are just going to be the latest corpses. French Bee to soon follow.
12-27-2018, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
LOL. Sure, Lufthansa's interested in Norwegian. Their aircraft at fire sale prices. Did you actually read that six month old article? How about the last paragraph?
Also note where NAS' stock price was at when that article was written. Now note where it's at. If IAG were interested in buying the company, they could easily do it now at a 40% discount. They're not. They, like Lufthansa, will take the planes at fire sale prices but that's it.
Have you lost your job at WoW? You were pretty junior so I'd imagine you've been cut and are now sniffing around for another job. So you're now looking at Norwegian? You remind me of the Independence Air pilots who went to Skybus. Good luck with that plan.
Also note where NAS' stock price was at when that article was written. Now note where it's at. If IAG were interested in buying the company, they could easily do it now at a 40% discount. They're not. They, like Lufthansa, will take the planes at fire sale prices but that's it.
Have you lost your job at WoW? You were pretty junior so I'd imagine you've been cut and are now sniffing around for another job. So you're now looking at Norwegian? You remind me of the Independence Air pilots who went to Skybus. Good luck with that plan.
As I have said before, Norwegian has placed upward pressure on salaries in Europe. Ryanair in particular has had to significantly increase their pay and improve working conditions due to many pilots leaving for Norwegian. My wife’s company has had to do the same. The collapse of Norwegian would reverse that upward pressure, so I would much rather see them thrive than collapse. Every time large airlines start failing, there is downward pressure on pilot salaries. Back in the early 90s, after the collapse of Eastern, Pan Am, and Midway, it was virtually impossible to get a job in the industry. When I was working on my CFII in the summer of 1992, my instructor was fortunate enough to land a job flying Dormier 228s for Precision Airlines in the Northeast. He had almost 4,000 hours, and had to shell out a $15,000 training bond for a job that paid just $12,000 per year. Personally I don’t want to see that kind of market for pilots ever again, which is why I want to see more airlines and more jobs.
12-27-2018, 11:59 AM
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IF Norwegian is putting upward pressure on pilot wages in euroland, that's a euroland problem. No need to export crappy euro wages to the rest of the world.
Norwegian and WoW's business models are doomed to failure.
Downward pressure on wages is definitely not an issue in the US and I doubt it will be considering current regional wages and they're still short of pilots.
Norwegian and WoW's business models are doomed to failure.
Downward pressure on wages is definitely not an issue in the US and I doubt it will be considering current regional wages and they're still short of pilots.
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