Grandstar now hiring
04-15-2010, 09:23 PM
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Grandstar now hiring
This is the Korean Airlines version of Great Wall/Jade. The terms listed are substandard at best and I'm not sure who they are thinking to attract. There are a number of other B744F jobs in China, a few who hire foreign FO's, and their T&C beat these hands down. The 12 days leave per year really threw me.
I know that WASINC did not have a great contract with the JALways program, so perhaps this is reflective of their company and not Grandstar/KAL. But, hey, who am I to judge. Take a look, make your own decision, it might be just the place.
Now Hiring! B747-400 Captains and First Officers for immediate interviews.
WASINC International is pleased to announce immediate openings for qualified B747-400 Captains and First Officers for Grandstar Cargo Airlines to be based in Tianjin, China. Interviews are currently scheduled to begin in middle of May 2010.
Minimum Requirements:
Captains: 500+ hours PIC on type, 5000+ hours total time
First Officers: 300 hours on type, 1000+ hours total time
Current on type as listed below:
3 take-offs and landings within 3 months
Last flight within 6 months
PC check within 6 months
Note** this requirement may be waived by Grandstar depending on other qualifications or experience.
Valid/current ATPL issued from a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid passport issued by a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid/current Class A (First Class) Medical
No history of incidents or accidents. Must provide a letter from your current/previous employer or CAA.
ICAO Level 4 English proficiency
No criminal history. Must provide a notarized and authenticated proof of no criminal history document from your home country government
Maximum age: Captains, 56 years. First Officers, 50 years
No license limitations (eg. VMC circle to land restriction)
Domicile: Tianjin, China
Routes: Current: Tianjin-Frankfurt-Shanghai-Tianjin
Planned Expansion: Tianjin-Vienna-Milan-Shanghai-Tianjin
Contract Term: 3 year, renewable
Benefits:
Salary:
Captain: $11,000/month (net)
SIC (Cruise Captain): $9,600/month (net)
FO: $7,500/month (net)
Salary based on 75 hours. O/T rate is 1/75 of monthly salary
Training Pay (From Reporting Date until Line Check) - 70% of full salary
Travel allowance: $1000 per month
Per Diem: 3.00EUR per hour in Euro region. 3.00USD per hour in non-Euro region
Hotel or equivalent residence (or equivalent amount) will be provided in base
Annual Bonus:
Captain: First year: $3000 Second year: $5,000 Third year $7000
First Officer: First year: $2100 Second year: $3500 Third year $5000
8 consecutive days free of duty plus two travel days per month.
Annual leave: 12 days paid leave per year
Sick days: 10 days paid sick leave per year
Employee Travel:
Pilot may travel on Grandstar Cargo flights
Additional Information:
Salary is paid off-shore and Expat status may dramatically reduce your national tax liability. Consult your CPA for tax advice.
International Medical Insurance Coverage is optional and will cover you and your family anywhere in the world.
How to Apply:
Please apply on-line at www.wasinc.aero using the log-in credentials located at the bottom of this message. After loggin in, select the My Employment tab and select the position from the list of available jobs.
I know that WASINC did not have a great contract with the JALways program, so perhaps this is reflective of their company and not Grandstar/KAL. But, hey, who am I to judge. Take a look, make your own decision, it might be just the place.
Now Hiring! B747-400 Captains and First Officers for immediate interviews.
WASINC International is pleased to announce immediate openings for qualified B747-400 Captains and First Officers for Grandstar Cargo Airlines to be based in Tianjin, China. Interviews are currently scheduled to begin in middle of May 2010.
Minimum Requirements:
Captains: 500+ hours PIC on type, 5000+ hours total time
First Officers: 300 hours on type, 1000+ hours total time
Current on type as listed below:
3 take-offs and landings within 3 months
Last flight within 6 months
PC check within 6 months
Note** this requirement may be waived by Grandstar depending on other qualifications or experience.
Valid/current ATPL issued from a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid passport issued by a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid/current Class A (First Class) Medical
No history of incidents or accidents. Must provide a letter from your current/previous employer or CAA.
ICAO Level 4 English proficiency
No criminal history. Must provide a notarized and authenticated proof of no criminal history document from your home country government
Maximum age: Captains, 56 years. First Officers, 50 years
No license limitations (eg. VMC circle to land restriction)
Domicile: Tianjin, China
Routes: Current: Tianjin-Frankfurt-Shanghai-Tianjin
Planned Expansion: Tianjin-Vienna-Milan-Shanghai-Tianjin
Contract Term: 3 year, renewable
Benefits:
Salary:
Captain: $11,000/month (net)
SIC (Cruise Captain): $9,600/month (net)
FO: $7,500/month (net)
Salary based on 75 hours. O/T rate is 1/75 of monthly salary
Training Pay (From Reporting Date until Line Check) - 70% of full salary
Travel allowance: $1000 per month
Per Diem: 3.00EUR per hour in Euro region. 3.00USD per hour in non-Euro region
Hotel or equivalent residence (or equivalent amount) will be provided in base
Annual Bonus:
Captain: First year: $3000 Second year: $5,000 Third year $7000
First Officer: First year: $2100 Second year: $3500 Third year $5000
8 consecutive days free of duty plus two travel days per month.
Annual leave: 12 days paid leave per year
Sick days: 10 days paid sick leave per year
Employee Travel:
Pilot may travel on Grandstar Cargo flights
Additional Information:
Salary is paid off-shore and Expat status may dramatically reduce your national tax liability. Consult your CPA for tax advice.
International Medical Insurance Coverage is optional and will cover you and your family anywhere in the world.
How to Apply:
Please apply on-line at www.wasinc.aero using the log-in credentials located at the bottom of this message. After loggin in, select the My Employment tab and select the position from the list of available jobs.
05-09-2010, 05:05 PM
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Good and adequate information. Koru you had mentioned this WASINC and Jalways. Jalways does not exist anymore whatever it had been estabished for. The airlines in Europe had been shocked to hear about the Jalways the entire mess of hiring the people its like a slave job. They agreed to take one person I do not even remember ( like a rat rescuer's job ). China sounds good. Really, it does, but the cost of the living in China is much cheaper I believe then in Europe. As for the Korean airlines, they had many technical problems. Hope all is going well for you in China. As for the Asian region, you know Koru if you are hired through the agencies, then when contract ends up one is asked to live with a spouse as well as if a contract had not be prolonged. So it is better to avoid a process of hiring through the agencies which is popular if there is another choice. But, who I am a Schindler??, so one must always try. Now flying with a count and feeling happy Melu
Originally Posted by KoruPilot
This is the Korean Airlines version of Great Wall/Jade. The terms listed are substandard at best and I'm not sure who they are thinking to attract. There are a number of other B744F jobs in China, a few who hire foreign FO's, and their T&C beat these hands down. The 12 days leave per year really threw me.
I know that WASINC did not have a great contract with the JALways program, so perhaps this is reflective of their company and not Grandstar/KAL. But, hey, who am I to judge. Take a look, make your own decision, it might be just the place.
Now Hiring! B747-400 Captains and First Officers for immediate interviews.
WASINC International is pleased to announce immediate openings for qualified B747-400 Captains and First Officers for Grandstar Cargo Airlines to be based in Tianjin, China. Interviews are currently scheduled to begin in middle of May 2010.
Minimum Requirements:
Captains: 500+ hours PIC on type, 5000+ hours total time
First Officers: 300 hours on type, 1000+ hours total time
Current on type as listed below:
3 take-offs and landings within 3 months
Last flight within 6 months
PC check within 6 months
Note** this requirement may be waived by Grandstar depending on other qualifications or experience.
Valid/current ATPL issued from a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid passport issued by a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid/current Class A (First Class) Medical
No history of incidents or accidents. Must provide a letter from your current/previous employer or CAA.
ICAO Level 4 English proficiency
No criminal history. Must provide a notarized and authenticated proof of no criminal history document from your home country government
Maximum age: Captains, 56 years. First Officers, 50 years
No license limitations (eg. VMC circle to land restriction)
Domicile: Tianjin, China
Routes: Current: Tianjin-Frankfurt-Shanghai-Tianjin
Planned Expansion: Tianjin-Vienna-Milan-Shanghai-Tianjin
Contract Term: 3 year, renewable
Benefits:
Salary:
Captain: $11,000/month (net)
SIC (Cruise Captain): $9,600/month (net)
FO: $7,500/month (net)
Salary based on 75 hours. O/T rate is 1/75 of monthly salary
Training Pay (From Reporting Date until Line Check) - 70% of full salary
Travel allowance: $1000 per month
Per Diem: 3.00EUR per hour in Euro region. 3.00USD per hour in non-Euro region
Hotel or equivalent residence (or equivalent amount) will be provided in base
Annual Bonus:
Captain: First year: $3000 Second year: $5,000 Third year $7000
First Officer: First year: $2100 Second year: $3500 Third year $5000
8 consecutive days free of duty plus two travel days per month.
Annual leave: 12 days paid leave per year
Sick days: 10 days paid sick leave per year
Employee Travel:
Pilot may travel on Grandstar Cargo flights
Additional Information:
Salary is paid off-shore and Expat status may dramatically reduce your national tax liability. Consult your CPA for tax advice.
International Medical Insurance Coverage is optional and will cover you and your family anywhere in the world.
How to Apply:
Please apply on-line at www.wasinc.aero using the log-in credentials located at the bottom of this message. After loggin in, select the My Employment tab and select the position from the list of available jobs.
I know that WASINC did not have a great contract with the JALways program, so perhaps this is reflective of their company and not Grandstar/KAL. But, hey, who am I to judge. Take a look, make your own decision, it might be just the place.
Now Hiring! B747-400 Captains and First Officers for immediate interviews.
WASINC International is pleased to announce immediate openings for qualified B747-400 Captains and First Officers for Grandstar Cargo Airlines to be based in Tianjin, China. Interviews are currently scheduled to begin in middle of May 2010.
Minimum Requirements:
Captains: 500+ hours PIC on type, 5000+ hours total time
First Officers: 300 hours on type, 1000+ hours total time
Current on type as listed below:
3 take-offs and landings within 3 months
Last flight within 6 months
PC check within 6 months
Note** this requirement may be waived by Grandstar depending on other qualifications or experience.
Valid/current ATPL issued from a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid passport issued by a country that has diplomatic relations with the Peoples Republic of China
Valid/current Class A (First Class) Medical
No history of incidents or accidents. Must provide a letter from your current/previous employer or CAA.
ICAO Level 4 English proficiency
No criminal history. Must provide a notarized and authenticated proof of no criminal history document from your home country government
Maximum age: Captains, 56 years. First Officers, 50 years
No license limitations (eg. VMC circle to land restriction)
Domicile: Tianjin, China
Routes: Current: Tianjin-Frankfurt-Shanghai-Tianjin
Planned Expansion: Tianjin-Vienna-Milan-Shanghai-Tianjin
Contract Term: 3 year, renewable
Benefits:
Salary:
Captain: $11,000/month (net)
SIC (Cruise Captain): $9,600/month (net)
FO: $7,500/month (net)
Salary based on 75 hours. O/T rate is 1/75 of monthly salary
Training Pay (From Reporting Date until Line Check) - 70% of full salary
Travel allowance: $1000 per month
Per Diem: 3.00EUR per hour in Euro region. 3.00USD per hour in non-Euro region
Hotel or equivalent residence (or equivalent amount) will be provided in base
Annual Bonus:
Captain: First year: $3000 Second year: $5,000 Third year $7000
First Officer: First year: $2100 Second year: $3500 Third year $5000
8 consecutive days free of duty plus two travel days per month.
Annual leave: 12 days paid leave per year
Sick days: 10 days paid sick leave per year
Employee Travel:
Pilot may travel on Grandstar Cargo flights
Additional Information:
Salary is paid off-shore and Expat status may dramatically reduce your national tax liability. Consult your CPA for tax advice.
International Medical Insurance Coverage is optional and will cover you and your family anywhere in the world.
How to Apply:
Please apply on-line at www.wasinc.aero using the log-in credentials located at the bottom of this message. After loggin in, select the My Employment tab and select the position from the list of available jobs.
06-15-2010, 06:19 PM
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They, along with Great Wall and Shanghai Airlines Cargo are being merged into the new, massive cargo company that is part of the China (Eastern) Cargo consortium. We've been advised that flight ops, and likely contracts will all be under the new regime come August.
These companies are half owned each by, in order, KAL, SQ and Eva. Not sure what those companies managements are thinking now, but perhaps, I'm guessing, they are not all that happy. They all compete out of here with their respective mainline freighters, they set up the "joint ventures" in the first place to actively compete using Chinese fifth freedom rights, and now they are being told to work together, I guess. Of course nobody is really letting us in on the full details, so anything I say about it is pure speculation.
Should be interesting. Watch this space. . .
These companies are half owned each by, in order, KAL, SQ and Eva. Not sure what those companies managements are thinking now, but perhaps, I'm guessing, they are not all that happy. They all compete out of here with their respective mainline freighters, they set up the "joint ventures" in the first place to actively compete using Chinese fifth freedom rights, and now they are being told to work together, I guess. Of course nobody is really letting us in on the full details, so anything I say about it is pure speculation.
Should be interesting. Watch this space. . .
06-22-2010, 10:53 PM
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I've really enjoyed it mate. They pay well and on time, but I would keep in mind that our managment is SQ. What goes on at the other contracts I'm not sure. I do know that some people have had trouble, I'd stay well away from anything with HNA, but as far as other big airlines I reckon it's OK.
As mentioned by some others, watch the contracts. They can be changed on a whim at times (though we have had very minute changes and as of late have been given back all of what they took away during the downturn, which, to be fair, was very little. It was handled well by our management in my opinion). There is a punitive culture in China, so FOQA busts (including thing's like long/heavy landings) can cost you money.
Personally I've had a good experience, but I fly, am checked by and managed by expats. What the local managemnt is like I do not know. Could be better, could be worse, but in my case it's been very good.
Anything else you'd better send me a PM.
As mentioned by some others, watch the contracts. They can be changed on a whim at times (though we have had very minute changes and as of late have been given back all of what they took away during the downturn, which, to be fair, was very little. It was handled well by our management in my opinion). There is a punitive culture in China, so FOQA busts (including thing's like long/heavy landings) can cost you money.
Personally I've had a good experience, but I fly, am checked by and managed by expats. What the local managemnt is like I do not know. Could be better, could be worse, but in my case it's been very good.
Anything else you'd better send me a PM.
06-23-2010, 05:37 PM
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Bad stuff? . . . yup, definitely, just not with us (anymore, there were problems before the current VP Ops). But there have been problems with others for sure. Like I said, watch the contracts, be careful what you sign. You might be giving up a reasonable/good job somewhere else to have a little adventure here in China, and you don't want to be disappointed.
I really like Shanghai, but places like Tianjin, for me, would be a no go. Way too polluted as far as air quality and during the winter frankly just depressing. The south is always nice and tropical, but again you've the air quality problem in the Pearl Delta.
I've seen a contract offer of late with a good pay check but lousy housing, lousy commute, lousy annual leave and no schooling. Per month you'll want 10K yuan minimum if you're here with your family. If you're commuting that's a different story. I share a flat with an Aussie, both of us live down south and commute so we're hardly here. Our schooling is 10K per month and your kids can be in school anywhere in the world(though that may change with the new management, if they want to keep pilots they'll leave it alone). We get four weeks annual and 88-96 days home leave (you can take 6-10 days in a row per month, they do not give rostered days off on either side, they are very tight in that regard and that one does bug me when I've flown a full roster).
I see some contracts doing 6 on 2 off with no annual leave for the commuting, and 21 days annual for the non-commuting. Not good. Also 5K for housing and no school is also unacceptable. Trust me, if your commuting you'll need the day's off and six weeks is a long time to be away. They won't add travel day's, those will be included, and they will start you soon after midnight on your day back.
Just food for thought. It's not Japan, yet. Hopefully with their massive shortage of qualified/experienced pilots here the contracts will continue to improve.
Interestingly, our current contract is the best in the country, and we're the only company not using a recruitment agency (maybe Jade also, not sure). Those bottom feeding blood suckers take a whole lot of your money and do not provide reasonable negotiation for T&C, that's still up to us and the current environment. But, of course, that's most definitely just my personal opinion.
I really like Shanghai, but places like Tianjin, for me, would be a no go. Way too polluted as far as air quality and during the winter frankly just depressing. The south is always nice and tropical, but again you've the air quality problem in the Pearl Delta.
I've seen a contract offer of late with a good pay check but lousy housing, lousy commute, lousy annual leave and no schooling. Per month you'll want 10K yuan minimum if you're here with your family. If you're commuting that's a different story. I share a flat with an Aussie, both of us live down south and commute so we're hardly here. Our schooling is 10K per month and your kids can be in school anywhere in the world(though that may change with the new management, if they want to keep pilots they'll leave it alone). We get four weeks annual and 88-96 days home leave (you can take 6-10 days in a row per month, they do not give rostered days off on either side, they are very tight in that regard and that one does bug me when I've flown a full roster).
I see some contracts doing 6 on 2 off with no annual leave for the commuting, and 21 days annual for the non-commuting. Not good. Also 5K for housing and no school is also unacceptable. Trust me, if your commuting you'll need the day's off and six weeks is a long time to be away. They won't add travel day's, those will be included, and they will start you soon after midnight on your day back.
Just food for thought. It's not Japan, yet. Hopefully with their massive shortage of qualified/experienced pilots here the contracts will continue to improve.
Interestingly, our current contract is the best in the country, and we're the only company not using a recruitment agency (maybe Jade also, not sure). Those bottom feeding blood suckers take a whole lot of your money and do not provide reasonable negotiation for T&C, that's still up to us and the current environment. But, of course, that's most definitely just my personal opinion.
08-14-2010, 05:39 PM
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Koru, thanks for the info. I have a CAAC medical check done in May 2010 and CAAC Air Law written exam passed in March 2010, do you know how long are they good for before they expire. Can I use them for the upcoming Grandstar selection process? Do you know any thing about their sim check in Frankfort, it looks like a five day event! I'd appreciate any information that you can share. It seems that there is not enough info on this outfit other than their website.
Last edited by flyaboy; 08-15-2010 at 04:33 PM.
08-14-2010, 07:05 PM
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Tey are Korean Airlines operated so perhaps the five day's has something to do with that. Ours is the same, but in Shanghai, as it takes five day's to do the exam, medical, sim check etc; they do everything when they interview you here.
As far as the exam and the medical they should both be just fine. The only catch would be if your exam was done for a specific Chinese carrier then that carrier may kind of "own" your results. Strange I know. Even if it was for another job however it might be that they are just fine. The best thing is to directly ask someone in their flight ops (Which, by the way, may not net you the correct answer even then. People here do NOT like to make decisions. Normally I just tell them what I'm doing and that works pretty well, takes the onus off them.)
Anything else let me know. Last I heard we were still looking but we require a type rating, I think. I'll check into it as I'm currently on tour with the Standards Manager in Holland.
Good luck with it.
Tianjin, by the way, is nasty. Very polluted air. Makes Hong Kong or Shanghai look like Yellowstone.
As far as the exam and the medical they should both be just fine. The only catch would be if your exam was done for a specific Chinese carrier then that carrier may kind of "own" your results. Strange I know. Even if it was for another job however it might be that they are just fine. The best thing is to directly ask someone in their flight ops (Which, by the way, may not net you the correct answer even then. People here do NOT like to make decisions. Normally I just tell them what I'm doing and that works pretty well, takes the onus off them.)
Anything else let me know. Last I heard we were still looking but we require a type rating, I think. I'll check into it as I'm currently on tour with the Standards Manager in Holland.
Good luck with it.
Tianjin, by the way, is nasty. Very polluted air. Makes Hong Kong or Shanghai look like Yellowstone.
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