I would love to see a list compiled of those who chose to undermine the naturals system of getting a job with a carrier by legitimate means. That list should be distributed among every chief pilot of every operator, be it legacy carrier, commuter, or 135 operation for appropriate action should one of these little cheats shows up for a job.

 

That's a dream of mine as well. A master scab list for p2f

 

I agree!

Will Fly For Free, The Unprofessional Pilot Wall Of Shame!!

 

I have had a number of low time/no time pilots ask my advise, in the past and very recently. I'm sure this happens to many people on this board and perhaps what I do could help with the problem of the "Gulfstream International" syndrome, as I like to call it.

Simply tell the would be aviator that you will help them as much as possible (I'm pretty good at this part) in getting theri first job as well as progressing from there. But, if they decide to buy a type rating with 250hrs total and go fly for free, or pay to fly a jet for some Indonesian carrier, or a Metro for some freight op, then they will get just the opposite. In my world, not helping is not good.

Sitting down for beers one night in Shanghai with a couple of contractors we came to the conclusion that if each of us sent out five emails, and made five phone calls, we could probably get the story on just about any pilot who was involved in ex-pat/contract flying. It's a small world, a very small world, and a good, quick, friendly discussion with any would be aviators regarding how easily they can be helped, as well as the opposite, should be enough to keep them from making a mistake.

I always also include reasons why working ones way up also makes a person a better aviator. It's very simple, but it's very effective as well.

 

Good point Kuru. I've given advice to some would be aviators about the foibles of the Eagle / Lion Air program. Like most young children instant gratification seems to get in the way of the natural progression from PPL to ATPL flying.

In my part of the world where I am flying, I've noticed that there are more pilots from wealthy back families have no issues in buying there way into the cockpit. Pity... I've spoken to a couple of these lads who are willing to have their parents pay $35,000, plus housing without regard to those who are trying to gain entry to the cockpit rather than following the natural progression. Unfortunately there's no way to get the message to the parents of these children of the damage that they continue to inflict on the industry.


I hope Chief Pilots from other carriers keep there eyes open for applicants who've participated in such programs.


I would welcome a debate the issue with Eagle Aviation. Let them justify to pilots currently employed with such dismal employment conditions as how they fell they are a part of the solution rather than being part of the problem.


I'm open to thoughts on this issue.

 

hopefully in years to come many of us who have broken our backs for this industry will be sitting across an interview table with someone like you.
We can only hope.

 

k2climb, don't do it.
Most of us ARE "prostitutes", as we "receive compensation for providing a service". Some of us though, sadly, are "wh0re$" as the give it away. Please don't make that mistake, as it hurts all of us.
Good luck to you in your career goals, you will make it if you keep at it.
Sincerely,
fbh

 

K2... do it. Pay for your line training and 500 hours. By all means....

But then remember that when you're asking for a job or raise or wonder why you're paid an absolute pittance. Remember, they cannot move a 737 without the guy in the right seat which means they cannot generate revenue.

So, with all due respect, how stupid do you have to be to pay them for the privilege of generating revenue for them?

 

I've been banging out my thought on the keyboard... and for what. Trying to reason with a bunch of future children of the magenta line who have the backing of their rich families, or have the means to secure loans to pay for such schemes. And if they do secure loans it's guaranteed by their families too.

Well I guess my point is this is that I've got a little over 3 and a half years til I hang up the goggles and hope to never step on a commercial airliner again. I'll stick to my good old trusty PA23 or mobile home to do my travelling.

At least my bulk of the last 22 years have been with foreign carriers that treat their skippers with respect, pay on time, and never interfered with my quality of life.

I pity the current skippers who are unfortunate to be paired with one of these little spoiled brats who feel they don't have to earn they way into the cockpit by honest time building flying.

As posted before, I hope a list of these short cutters is compiled for appropriate use by responsible chief pilots.

 

Wow, I've got to step back and look over things. I've worked hard most of my life and have been fortunate. But the old business model I learned is changing so quickly that I hardly recognize it. With the Federal Reserve milking the USA and pilots working for free, I think that I'll start a new business with Fed backing and use workers that pay me. I was an idiot to go to college...