TonyWilliams

January 4, 2014 - On the ramp at Apron 7, Kabul, Afghanistan





Cabin Crew

Grumble

Why is the pay such a secret? From your cryptic analogy, that could be $3500/month. Ten times that and I still wouldn't go back to that godforsaken place.

TonyWilliams

So the price doesn't really matter to you then, correct? It's not a secret for anybody who sends a resume and passes a basic screening. That's it. I have low patience for the salary "crazy talk" on here, so I'm not going to participate.

wrxpilot

Ok... Well good luck out there! Seriously, I wish you the best and hope you find some good crews. Stay safe.

TonyWilliams

Thank you! This type of expat work / flying is hard enough without the nipping at your heals.

The good news is that I don't think I'll have any problem making the required crews. I'd be more worried with "narrow body" airplanes, since pilots are really getting competive out there.

I'd like to see us migrating to the C-Series in the medium term, that can hit London and Hong Kong from Kabul, at significantly lower acquisition and fuel burn cost over a B737NG.

WstCstCmtr

I met a couple of guys at CAE in Toronto last November that were working this place... Maybe that was you!?!

Why not just say what the pay is? Why is it a big secret? Just because it's a lot more than flying at a US regional doesn't mean it's a good deal.

I'm not putting a price on what it would take me to do it... I would have to know what the package is before I could assess that.

TonyWilliams

This will be my last comment on pay concerning these positions.

If you are interested, submit a simple resume to the email in the first post. If you're not interested, don't do anything.

Should we find that your particular qualifications merit a job offer, that job offer will be in the form of an employment contract that will include the pay offered. It is then YOUR SOLE DISCRETION to sign or not sign the contract.

Nobody here is asking you to sign up for any job without knowing the pay. If you have needs beyond this very simple exchange, you might not be a good fit for our airline. If this doesn't make sense to you, again, you might not be a good fit for our airline.

Thank you all. I'm happy to answer questions about any other particulars, except security issues and pay.

TonyWilliams

There were four pilots to start. Two went to Toronto (CAE) for sim, and two went to Minneapolis (PanAm). One of those was sacked in January, and we're still cleaning up the mess he left. The other is the current DFO.

Myself and one other went to MSP. The other pilot went home in January and just never returned. At least he didn't leave a wake of carnage behind him.

So, no, that wasn't me!

maxjet

So this about says it all about this employment opportunity. I fly the region a lot. Why would you even consider employing RJ First Officers from the States? Of course they will bail, and some of them, feeling that you betrayed them, will not be kind when they leave. Tony, you have forgotten what a shock it was to the system the first time you showed up for a flight in Africa. You started your expat career when things were bad here in the US and you didn't have the opportunity to go back as readily as pilots do today. Things are not so bad anymore in the US. I think you would be much better off financially, to pay high dollars to experienced Afgan flyers who know what they are getting into, and are only doing it for the money. Your training and reliability factor would be much better and less expensive in the long run. Pilots coming to your operation to "see the world" will not like what they see and will soon leave. If you are interested in an experienced(it has been 6 years since I have flown the 2/7/9) CL65 pilot with Afgan experience and are willing to pay me $175,000.00 or more a year with a good health care policy then send me a PM. If not, then I think you are wasting your time and are doomed to failure. Just my opinion. Good luck to you.

Herb Flemmming

Will you be living in the compound with the boys too? Or safe in Dubai?