GAMA / WHEELS UP - Current Pilot Experiences
01-06-2019, 10:21 AM
#41
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by Brody
I'll dumb this down so you can understand it.
A prospective pilot for WU asked on a public forum for opinions from those who have worked (or are working) there.
Since I worked there, I offered my opinion. Some of you did - others didn't.
If you'll notice, I didn't attack anyone's opinion. Nor do I think I'm so clairvoyant that I know what other opinion-givers should have seen (or not seen) while working there.
Nor did I attack anyone's qualifications.
Nor did I make assumptions about the other posters.
Honestly, I didn't give others' opinions a second thought.
Why? Because . . . (wait for it) . . . I DON'T CARE if you share my opinion - or if our opinions are diametrically-opposed.
I just tried to do the person a favor - the same favor we've all asked before starting with a new company. You collect several opinions, weigh them based on their relevancy, and try to make an informed decision.
Now, if I were this person who originally asked the question . . . and I read some of your responses to my initial post where I stated my opinion . . . I would have serious misgivings about the pilots who fly there. Clearly, they don't tolerate differing opinions.
Safety violations or no safety violation, if I were forced to fly with a bunch of know-it-alls, I think I'd find another place to fly.
But hey - if it makes you feel better to continue to attack me, then please continue.
And if you think I care about your opinion, please reread this post
A prospective pilot for WU asked on a public forum for opinions from those who have worked (or are working) there.
Since I worked there, I offered my opinion. Some of you did - others didn't.
If you'll notice, I didn't attack anyone's opinion. Nor do I think I'm so clairvoyant that I know what other opinion-givers should have seen (or not seen) while working there.
Nor did I attack anyone's qualifications.
Nor did I make assumptions about the other posters.
Honestly, I didn't give others' opinions a second thought.
Why? Because . . . (wait for it) . . . I DON'T CARE if you share my opinion - or if our opinions are diametrically-opposed.
I just tried to do the person a favor - the same favor we've all asked before starting with a new company. You collect several opinions, weigh them based on their relevancy, and try to make an informed decision.
Now, if I were this person who originally asked the question . . . and I read some of your responses to my initial post where I stated my opinion . . . I would have serious misgivings about the pilots who fly there. Clearly, they don't tolerate differing opinions.
Safety violations or no safety violation, if I were forced to fly with a bunch of know-it-alls, I think I'd find another place to fly.
But hey - if it makes you feel better to continue to attack me, then please continue.
And if you think I care about your opinion, please reread this post
Oh and by the way, the mere fact that you keep reposting means YOU CARE!
01-06-2019, 11:39 AM
#42
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by Brody
Safety violations or no safety violation, if I were forced to fly with a bunch of know-it-alls, I think I'd find another place to fly.
Aviation is mainly populated with know-it-all Type A personalities.
I'll agree with your post that all you did was give your opinion; but you really should back it up with some details.
You went there. I'll assume that you checked it out prior to joining WU. You obviously saw something that you liked and accepted the job.
In this hiring environment; it is good to see people moving on up the ladder which is what most (not all) of the pilots going to WU are probably there to do. It is hard to believe that you would actually know the specific reasons for every person in your new hire class leaving - so your contention that everyone saw something unsafe and bailed at the same time doesn't seem logical.
On this board - which is full of positive and negative opinions; WU doesn't seem to have that reputation - so your's is more out of left field than usual and probably even more of a reason to give some specific details to these safety violations that you grieved with the company. You don't work there anymore and therefore have no reason not to share if you believe they are important enough to warn off other aspiring pilots who are trying to gain experience to move on up the ladder too - like yourself.
01-06-2019, 12:41 PM
#43
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by Busdriver91
Let me break it down for you. We (current Gama employees) are upset with your posts because every single one of us has had an ablosultely different experience than you describe. We are proud to work here and don’t want false information making its way around.
Oh and by the way, the mere fact that you keep reposting means YOU CARE!
Oh and by the way, the mere fact that you keep reposting means YOU CARE!
So how many WU pilots do you speak for? Give me an actual number.
I'm assuming, based on your statement, that you've spoken to all of them, right?
And we're supposed to take you seriously?
01-06-2019, 12:52 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by Brody
So how many WU pilots do you speak for? Give me an actual number.
I'm assuming, based on your statement, that you've spoken to all of them, right?
And we're supposed to take you seriously?
I'm assuming, based on your statement, that you've spoken to all of them, right?
And we're supposed to take you seriously?
Anyone who reads this is gonna realize your a 1% who ****ed off and offers no real insight. I’d be laughing at you if I were a prospective pilot. Now if you didn’t hide your “ information” declassified of course because you feel like WU has lawyers chasing you around with gag orders. A pilot might value your opinion rather than laugh at you.
01-06-2019, 01:00 PM
#45
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And you expect to find this group of NON-know-it-alls where in aviation?
Aviation is mainly populated with know-it-all Type A personalities.
I'll agree with your post that all you did was give your opinion; but you really should back it up with some details.
You went there. I'll assume that you checked it out prior to joining WU. You obviously saw something that you liked and accepted the job.
In this hiring environment; it is good to see people moving on up the ladder which is what most (not all) of the pilots going to WU are probably there to do. It is hard to believe that you would actually know the specific reasons for every person in your new hire class leaving - so your contention that everyone saw something unsafe and bailed at the same time doesn't seem logical.
On this board - which is full of positive and negative opinions; WU doesn't seem to have that reputation - so your's is more out of left field than usual and probably even more of a reason to give some specific details to these safety violations that you grieved with the company. You don't work there anymore and therefore have no reason not to share if you believe they are important enough to warn off other aspiring pilots who are trying to gain experience to move on up the ladder too - like yourself.
Aviation is mainly populated with know-it-all Type A personalities.
I'll agree with your post that all you did was give your opinion; but you really should back it up with some details.
You went there. I'll assume that you checked it out prior to joining WU. You obviously saw something that you liked and accepted the job.
In this hiring environment; it is good to see people moving on up the ladder which is what most (not all) of the pilots going to WU are probably there to do. It is hard to believe that you would actually know the specific reasons for every person in your new hire class leaving - so your contention that everyone saw something unsafe and bailed at the same time doesn't seem logical.
On this board - which is full of positive and negative opinions; WU doesn't seem to have that reputation - so your's is more out of left field than usual and probably even more of a reason to give some specific details to these safety violations that you grieved with the company. You don't work there anymore and therefore have no reason not to share if you believe they are important enough to warn off other aspiring pilots who are trying to gain experience to move on up the ladder too - like yourself.
I took a few minutes out of my day to state my opinion of WU.
Then the dog-piling started. It's quite amusing, actually. Apparently I've struck a nerve.
It is YOUR OPINION that I should give details to (ostensibly) back up my opinion - which was to another individual, not to you.
I disagree.
I saw what I saw. That's good enough for me. And I was in touch with the individuals in my class, all of whom told me why they were bailing out of Gama. Again, I heard what I heard. Good enough for me.
The fact that you don't believe me is irrelevant.
I state my opinion, and several of you indicate that its not a valid opinion unless I provide specifics.
But when you state yours, it's correct by default?
This is comical. And sadly, it's typical
01-06-2019, 01:04 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 59
Originally Posted by Brody
My original response was to the individual who ASKED for the info.
I took a few minutes out of my day to state my opinion of WU.
Then the dog-piling started. It's quite amusing, actually. Apparently I've struck a nerve.
It is YOUR OPINION that I should give details to (ostensibly) back up my opinion - which was to another individual, not to you.
I disagree.
I saw what I saw. That's good enough for me. And I was in touch with the individuals in my class, all of whom told me why they were bailing out of Gama. Again, I heard what I heard. Good enough for me.
The fact that you don't believe me is irrelevant.
I state my opinion, and several of you indicate that its not a valid opinion unless I provide specifics.
But when you state yours, it's correct by default?
This is comical. And sadly, it's typical
I took a few minutes out of my day to state my opinion of WU.
Then the dog-piling started. It's quite amusing, actually. Apparently I've struck a nerve.
It is YOUR OPINION that I should give details to (ostensibly) back up my opinion - which was to another individual, not to you.
I disagree.
I saw what I saw. That's good enough for me. And I was in touch with the individuals in my class, all of whom told me why they were bailing out of Gama. Again, I heard what I heard. Good enough for me.
The fact that you don't believe me is irrelevant.
I state my opinion, and several of you indicate that its not a valid opinion unless I provide specifics.
But when you state yours, it's correct by default?
This is comical. And sadly, it's typical
5 different pilots appear to work for WU calling your bluff and you still don’t fold. You have 0 back up on any claims. Why dont you take a hint this company is not unsafe. In fact it’s run relatively the correct way. You just don’t like there rules. And that’s the long and short of it Boo hoo.
01-06-2019, 01:09 PM
#47
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by 1212135
I don’t think you understand your making a direct serious accusation about a company. Not simply stating an objectionable opinion.
That's fine - I get what you're saying. But I disagree.
I'm willing to accept that some of you have a differing view than mine.
It's interesting that you can't give me the same consideration
01-06-2019, 01:14 PM
#48
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by 1212135
Mark me as one!
Anyone who reads this is gonna realize your a 1% who ****ed off and offers no real insight. I’d be laughing at you if I were a prospective pilot. Now if you didn’t hide your “ information” declassified of course because you feel like WU has lawyers chasing you around with gag orders. A pilot might value your opinion rather than laugh at you.
Anyone who reads this is gonna realize your a 1% who ****ed off and offers no real insight. I’d be laughing at you if I were a prospective pilot. Now if you didn’t hide your “ information” declassified of course because you feel like WU has lawyers chasing you around with gag orders. A pilot might value your opinion rather than laugh at you.
Got it - your opinion trumps mine.
Please explain why
01-06-2019, 01:15 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Originally Posted by Brody
I'll dumb this down so you can understand it.
A prospective pilot for WU asked on a public forum for opinions from those who have worked (or are working) there.
Since I worked there, I offered my opinion. Some of you did - others didn't.
If you'll notice, I didn't attack anyone's opinion. Nor do I think I'm so clairvoyant that I know what other opinion-givers should have seen (or not seen) while working there.
Nor did I attack anyone's qualifications.
Nor did I make assumptions about the other posters.
Honestly, I didn't give others' opinions a second thought.
Why? Because . . . (wait for it) . . . I DON'T CARE if you share my opinion - or if our opinions are diametrically-opposed.
I just tried to do the person a favor - the same favor we've all asked before starting with a new company. You collect several opinions, weigh them based on their relevancy, and try to make an informed decision.
Now, if I were this person who originally asked the question . . . and I read some of your responses to my initial post where I stated my opinion . . . I would have serious misgivings about the pilots who fly there. Clearly, they don't tolerate differing opinions.
Safety violations or no safety violation, if I were forced to fly with a bunch of know-it-alls, I think I'd find another place to fly.
But hey - if it makes you feel better to continue to attack me, then please continue.
And if you think I care about your opinion, please reread this post
A prospective pilot for WU asked on a public forum for opinions from those who have worked (or are working) there.
Since I worked there, I offered my opinion. Some of you did - others didn't.
If you'll notice, I didn't attack anyone's opinion. Nor do I think I'm so clairvoyant that I know what other opinion-givers should have seen (or not seen) while working there.
Nor did I attack anyone's qualifications.
Nor did I make assumptions about the other posters.
Honestly, I didn't give others' opinions a second thought.
Why? Because . . . (wait for it) . . . I DON'T CARE if you share my opinion - or if our opinions are diametrically-opposed.
I just tried to do the person a favor - the same favor we've all asked before starting with a new company. You collect several opinions, weigh them based on their relevancy, and try to make an informed decision.
Now, if I were this person who originally asked the question . . . and I read some of your responses to my initial post where I stated my opinion . . . I would have serious misgivings about the pilots who fly there. Clearly, they don't tolerate differing opinions.
Safety violations or no safety violation, if I were forced to fly with a bunch of know-it-alls, I think I'd find another place to fly.
But hey - if it makes you feel better to continue to attack me, then please continue.
And if you think I care about your opinion, please reread this post
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