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Old 10-30-2016, 09:12 AM
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You are incorrect. 500 is our minimum due to FAR 135.4
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Old 10-30-2016, 03:41 PM
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That appears to be the direction the company has taken but it does not make logical sense, captain flying right seat or not, he still assumes NO responsibility in the right seat and the captain in the PC12 does. In fact, I notice a number of very low time pilots that are entering the ranks and that puts an even greater burden on the PIC to be able to not only command the ship, but ensure the F/O's are moving forward in their experience as well. It is what it is. No problem. I just think it is very wrong to pay an F/O in a little jet with no responsibility MORE than a captain, in the same size plane, who has far greater responsibility.
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Old 10-30-2016, 05:48 PM
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What kind of "other" duties are involved for a new hire FO?
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Old 10-31-2016, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mrski View Post
That appears to be the direction the company has taken but it does not make logical sense, captain flying right seat or not, he still assumes NO responsibility in the right seat and the captain in the PC12 does. In fact, I notice a number of very low time pilots that are entering the ranks and that puts an even greater burden on the PIC to be able to not only command the ship, but ensure the F/O's are moving forward in their experience as well. It is what it is. No problem. I just think it is very wrong to pay an F/O in a little jet with no responsibility MORE than a captain, in the same size plane, who has far greater responsibility.
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This is how it works pretty much everywhere... FO's of larger/more complex airplanes can make more than captains of smaller ones. It's the same way even at the airlines.
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Old 10-31-2016, 09:57 AM
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This is how it works pretty much everywhere... FO's of larger/more complex airplanes can make more than captains of smaller ones. It's the same way even at the airlines.

A year 2 captain on an E190 at AA makes $3 less / hr less than a 2 year wide body FO. Why? Something about more responsibility or something. Probably a spurious argument but it's the way the industry works and the way you will make more money in the future. Don't fight it - we will all lose.


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Old 10-31-2016, 02:27 PM
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A year 2 captain on an E190 at AA makes $3 less / hr less than a 2 year wide body FO. Why? Something about more responsibility or something. Probably a spurious argument but it's the way the industry works and the way you will make more money in the future. Don't fight it - we will all lose.


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No I totally agree with you. The guy I was quoting was making it sound like planesense was doing something abnormal by having Jet F/O's making more than prop captains, when that's how it is a lot of places in the industry. It's my understanding that the jet F/O'S are all PC-12 captains so lowering their pay doesn't make any sense.
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Old 10-31-2016, 06:23 PM
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Old 11-01-2016, 12:36 AM
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What kind of "other" duties are involved for a new hire FO?

You'll have to elaborate.


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Old 11-01-2016, 06:30 AM
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What kind of "other" duties are involved for a new hire FO?


Load bags, pre-flight, greet customers, stock the aircraft with goodies, clean the lav, clean the windscreen. Basically anything they tell you to do.


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Old 11-01-2016, 08:42 AM
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I had posted earlier in this thread, but that was 30 or so pages ago.

I was at PS for over 5 years. Started with about 700 hours, left with about 3000. I have been gone about 3.5 years. I do not regret it in the least, despite being stuck as an F/O for 3 years. But the job market back then was 100% different than it is now.

Here is my advice. If you have less than 1500 hours, Planesense would be a good place to go to get some real world experience in a two person cockpit in all kinds of weather to all kinds of different airports. Once you hit 1500 hours, go work for a regional.

If you have 1500 hours or more, go to a regional. You'll make more money, get multi jet experience, and once you're off reserve, probably have a better QOL. You'll have many more career options once you've been there for a few years, be it major airlines or corporate/charter. The PC-12 is an awesome airplane, but it is still a single engined aircraft. I'm a captain on a Hawker, with about 4500 hours, but I can't apply at UPS cause I don't have 1000 hours of multi PIC time. I realize that other major airlines have lower requirements, but it eliminates one airline that could be a really good career.

Those of you that say you want to make PS a career, get back to this thread after you've done a summer in the northeast. 6-8 short legs a day in the middle of summer is highly fatiguing, now do it for 8 days straight.
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