Macjet

The Mustang has a bigger cockpit too. I kid you not.

Macjet

The C680 is the latest and greatest from 1988. Just so you understand, Cessna products are neither cutting edge nor innovative. They keep rehashing the same old crap over and over. Hell, there is only two different fueslages in the entire lineup. Throw some of this with a little of that and viola! We have a new airplane.

The C680 problems.

No Auto Spoilers. Why? I don't know. We have WOW logic and wheel speed logic.

No capability to move fuel. Almost 12K lbs of gas and we CANNOT move a drop.

A pressurization controller that is straight out of a C421. Look up the part numbers. They actully brag that it's the oldest press controller on the market.

Honeywell Primus Epic. I don't even know where to start. First, we cannot use V-bars without the A/P. We cannot display the map function on the PFD or it will DELETE the FMS database. Honeywell S turns, you'll see. Preview function use is prohibited for autotrans. Can't track a VOR without colocated DME.

270 KIAS max speed below 8K since Cessna didn't want to certify the windshield for a birdstrike. Don't worry, you'll never know what hit you.

We have an APU that spends more time out sick then our senior captains.

Oh, don't forget the handling. Cessna couldn't do what Bombardier did with the 300 so they just threw on a semi-swept low wing loading wing. So, light chop in the airplane feels like moderate turbulence. But at least it handles like a dump truck!

Oh yeah. It's slow too.

If you want to fly the best airplanes go to Flexjet. If you want the best company come here. I interviewed at both Flex and NJA and I've flown both Bombardier and Cessna. I know I'm probably going to get creamed for this statement but NJA is leaps and bounds above the other Fracs. This place will give you the best pay, benefits, and QOL. The others just can't match. The down side is that most of our fleet is Chevy's and Ford's instead of Lexus and Infinity.

NJA Capt

Man, sounds like you picked the wrong company to work for.

The C680/C750 cabin is 66 inches vs the Mustangs 55.

Actually there are 4 current and a few others that were retired (The VII and Excel are not the same).

More costs and not needed

No real reason to move fuel. (Unless you weren't paying attention).

Who is "they?" How about providing the numbers. The 680/750 have the same controller and I prefer it to the automated one in the Excel.

Last time I checked, you can't do more than 250 below 10K anyway.
Sick of FOs complaining all the time ?
Good thing because it was designed to be a truck. Short runways and lots of bags. It does it well.
....but still faster than most airliners are cruising these days and climbs 1000X better.

Macjet

No, I picked the right company. And I tell that to everyone that asks. I think NJ is one of the best companies out there and is the best pick for me. This company goes above and beyond for it's employees and it's owners. The poster above was asking about the "advanced" Citations. I was just giving him some street smarts. Cessna doesn't make a bad airplane but they don't make a very good one either. As I said, if he's interested in the best airplanes then head over to Flex. If he wants the best company then come on over to CMH.

66/55. That maybe true. The four of us who jumped in the Mustang at MCO all thought it had more leg room and knee room.

According to Cessna there are only two cross-sections for all the Citations. Perhaps I was given bad info.

Single point fuel sometimes doesn't like uneven ramps. 200lb max imbalance isn't much.

True about 250 and 10K. But I have seen birds above 10K. Again, hope I don't hit one.


Perhaps you don't agree with my Cessna Cliff Notes but the guy was looking for some intel. I was giving him my thoughts after spending the last several years in Beechcraft and Bombardier (business, not airline) products. FWIW, my comments here were a lot kinder then the guys coming out of Boeing and Airbus products.

USMCFLYR

Actually I appreciate BOTH Macjet and NJA Capt's comments. I'm trying to get around the bizjets more and more when I come across them on the road. Recently I've had the chance to come aboard a Challenger 300/600 (the 600 was an FAA flight check bird), Falcon 50, and a Lear 65XR. I spent some time with the pilot of the Falcon 50 and the Pro Line 4 (or 21) cockpit. I'm not that familiar with the avionics packages and the FMSs but am very interested in learning them. I especially like the Challenger line and I was impressed with the Citation X too. I have others say that the X was not all that advanced though - including a lack of VNAV capability. You guys aren't the first to comment on the size of the X cockpit either - though I have to say that the perspective might be different dpending on where you're coming from. It looks roomy to me! So......both of you - if NJ did aloow to to chose your fleet - where would you go?

Sorry about the thread hijack to the original poster - but it was bias from the start on this forum >G<

USMCFLYR

NJA Capt

No problem. I'm sure you guys don't have any of this friendly competition between fighter/transport guys....

I wont detract from the thread again, if you want some intel on the X/NJA just shoot me a PM.

PILOTGUY

hmmmm......well, IAH had us go fast forward after T/O just about 3 years ago.( have not been back since) Hit 300 before we got to 3000 feet. Our Airline now restricts us though.

Out of these two, I think I would have to go with SWA. More days off, 12 year pay is about 30k more(before doing anything extra) and they have a LOT of nice flight attendants!! NJA is a GREAT company. I am sure I would be happy at either.

Through Fedex and UPS into this poll, and my tune changes dramatically.

jetlag7

Ha! This is probably the BEST description of Cessna products I have ever read!

kman

All of the Cessnas have Horrible cockpits. Just looking at the Ten cockpit makes my arse hurt, let alone sitting in that seat for 5 and half hours. And I know they find a way to screw up the columbus cockpit, I would never want to sit in anything made by cessna for more than hour and half, its just to painful.