NJA PIC/SIC/Dual for military
03-23-2008, 05:52 PM
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NJA PIC/SIC/Dual for military
Can any multi-crew military guys help me out on this? Not sure if I'm making the right assumptions converting my Navy time for the Flight Time Worksheet on the NJA application:
PIC = Aircraft Commander time (first pilot + copilot). No "non-flying" special crew aircraft commander time included as stated in the app.
SIC = First pilot + copilot for every non-aircraft commander flight after first copilot NATOPS qualification in model.
Dual Received = First pilot + copilot unqualified student time (T-34/44, FRS).
Also wondering what do I then put down on page 5 for First Officer/Copilot total time. Would that be all of my non-aircraft commander qualified/unqualified first pilot and copilot time?
I think I have a fairly good handle on converting PIC and SIC per Part 61, just don't know how to handle my student time and what is the exact definition of "dual received".
PIC = Aircraft Commander time (first pilot + copilot). No "non-flying" special crew aircraft commander time included as stated in the app.
SIC = First pilot + copilot for every non-aircraft commander flight after first copilot NATOPS qualification in model.
Dual Received = First pilot + copilot unqualified student time (T-34/44, FRS).
Also wondering what do I then put down on page 5 for First Officer/Copilot total time. Would that be all of my non-aircraft commander qualified/unqualified first pilot and copilot time?
I think I have a fairly good handle on converting PIC and SIC per Part 61, just don't know how to handle my student time and what is the exact definition of "dual received".
03-23-2008, 07:04 PM
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I don't know if this will answer your question but its what I did. For any aircraft I flew that required two pilots I logged SIC if I wasn't the aircraft commander during flight. I did not include any other time. Thats what the Air Force calls time during the flight that you were a third pilot not in a seat. For time in the T-37 or T-6 that I was not acting as an IP or aircraft commander I logged as dual since these airplanes only require one pilot. Hope this helps.
03-24-2008, 12:34 AM
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For PIC, I used my Instructor hours plus 90% of my MP time (figuring I was the "in command" at least 90% of the tim). For SIC, I took my total time in that aircraft minus PIC and other time. I got this technique from other military heavy drivers. Also, APC has some mil to civ excel spreadsheets in their downloads section that might help.
03-25-2008, 07:47 PM
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Hey rockeye,
If you flew any tandem seat aircraft, like the T-34C, then you can not log SIC. I called and asked the feds on this. So the T-34C, T-2, and T-45 you can not log as SIC because all of those were single piloted aircraft even if there were two pilots in the aircraft. Remember our OPNAV app mins, 200 1/2 and no lower because of the single pilot thing. You can log that time as dual received or total time. This being said, I do know guys who still logged it as SIC and nothing was said. I think the employers know what we mean. Hope this helps.
If you flew any tandem seat aircraft, like the T-34C, then you can not log SIC. I called and asked the feds on this. So the T-34C, T-2, and T-45 you can not log as SIC because all of those were single piloted aircraft even if there were two pilots in the aircraft. Remember our OPNAV app mins, 200 1/2 and no lower because of the single pilot thing. You can log that time as dual received or total time. This being said, I do know guys who still logged it as SIC and nothing was said. I think the employers know what we mean. Hope this helps.
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