Vsipegged

Attrition. Pilots are ( no pun intended) flying out the door here at the moment.

bgmann

There was a CJ pilot who moved up the ranks at EAS in KC to a different jet, much larger, a mid-size. I would say this vacancy was his. Most likely. I haven't heard of a CJ pilot who has left.

MiGBoy

I second this, based on what I've heard.

Hercguy

Any particular reason?

RI830

They are seeking a "better" schedule is the common reason.
Not sure to how that is working for they when they leave.
I know some who have left and Sked has gotten better and some worse. The CJ's fly less than than Phenoms, therefore CJ hys duty day counts trend lower than other guys.
BGmann, who moved out of the CJ's and where did he go?


This business is what you make of it. I am flying more now than I was at EAS.

bgmann

I'm suppose to spill the beans on apc and stamp my name on it?

I can tell you the CJ's will likely get busy soon. Their coming out of the wood works.

Vsipegged

The overall reason is schedule. We have guys running most if not all of their 12 days on, consistently. A great portion of this out of base. Yea, they signed up for it, but it's not what was advertised in the interview. In the interview it was portrayed as having a mix of standby days, day trips, and overnights.

The model has changed. We no longer fly a client to a destination, sit, and come home. We fly 2 - 3 different customers per day, reloc on layover days, etc. With the new ASTRO software it's essentially become a Netjets / Flex schedule but without the off time.

If it's to be expected now that you can go away on day 1 and not know when you're coming home, it's time to change the schedule. I myself have been told on day 1 to pack for all 12, just in case. You can't expect guys to accept this for more than a few months.

The 10-5 model that pilots have been pushing for forever will be lackluster as well under the new system. It will work if you have day trips and a standby day or two, and maybe half a dozen overnights. But 10 days on the road straight? That will get old after 6 months too. Any mention of 8/6, 7/7, 9/6 gets laughed at here, but it's the key to longevity and retention.

It's sad because besides the schedule, this is a fantastic company to work for. We just need to get management to open their eyes and realize that while yes a better schedule might cost them more, better schedule = happy pilots = retention, less initial training costs, better customer service, etc.

Until then, it's going to remain as a 2 - 3 year revolving door.

tiredcfi

Well, its not really management that is the problem. It is the ownership. All of those great points you mentioned cost them profit and we know that will never work! lol

Vsipegged

Yea, I suppose I should have just said "higher ups"

Macjet

OMG! I can't believe an EAS'er is admitting that your schedule is crap. I said so back in January and was SKEWERED by the company cheerleaders RI380 and MigBoy. Your schedule sucks. And I honestly feel for you and your fellow pilots and hope you get something soon that allows for some sort of balance between family life and work. But for your own sake don't let to two aforementioned company men find out who you "complainers" are lest they sick their brown shirts on you.

Good luck brothers. And I mean that.