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09-23-2013 | 05:48 PM
#931
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Thanks for all the info RI, very helpful.
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
09-23-2013 | 09:39 PM
#932
On Reserve
Joined: Aug 2013
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From: Does it matter?
Thanks for all the info RI, very helpful.
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
09-24-2013 | 08:07 AM
#933
Down 4 Green Lights
Joined: May 2012
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From: MD-11 FO
Thanks for all the info RI, very helpful.
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
I'm sure RI will clarify.
09-24-2013 | 09:36 AM
#934
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Joined: Mar 2011
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From: Left seat on a kite
Thanks for all the info RI, very helpful.
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Am I right in thinking that someone hired as a SIC, but with (or very near to) the qualifications and experience to be a PIC, would be 'locked' to a SIC position for a year?
Also, if someone was hired as a King Air SIC, is there a risk of them becoming pigeonholed as a King Air only pilot? Or would they still be eligible for a jet PIC position once they had the hours and seniority etc?
Thanks
Thanks
09-24-2013 | 09:39 AM
#935
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From: Left seat on a kite
We, as most other companies, "seatlock" you for a year in that position after we have paid for the initial training event.
09-24-2013 | 01:25 PM
#936
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If a guy/gal is very near the PIC quals, they have the choice to hang tight till a PIC spot is available or jump in as an SIC. Yes they will be utilized in that position for one year before they would be eligible to move.
Not at all. They have the ability to move to the jets just like anyone else. If they are eligible to move they can put in for any spot available for which they can qual for (ie...total times/experience)
Not at all. They have the ability to move to the jets just like anyone else. If they are eligible to move they can put in for any spot available for which they can qual for (ie...total times/experience)
I understand there is a 500 hour premium to the minimums for PICs hired off the street versus the internal candidates. My issue is that I pretty much meet the internal requirements for a 100 PIC, but I would need another couple of years at my current rate to have the hours to be a street captain.
Is it your intention to eventually move away from having to hire street captains, and fill all positions from within? I assume that would be preferable. Reason I ask, I would hate to hold out till I had the hours for a PIC position to find you were no longer hiring off the street.
Thanks again
09-24-2013 | 02:50 PM
#937
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That word on the street is partially correct. The internal SIC candidates have been here less than a year and are not eligible to move. Some are qualified and some are not qualified for the position, but none are eligible to move.
We, as most other companies, "seatlock" you for a year in that position after we have paid for the initial training event.
We, as most other companies, "seatlock" you for a year in that position after we have paid for the initial training event.
EAS is pretty straight forward in the interview process about the seat lock. For me, it was worth it to hire on as an SIC even though I have the time to be a PIC (barely). I felt the ability to bring my family back to my hometown and work at a company that I'm proud of was worth the price of admission (being an SIC for a while). I've been a PIC at other companies and can tell you that I've been treated with more respect and dignity as an SIC here than as a PIC elsewhere.
There is also something to be said for being in that right seat while you learn a new aircraft and learn policies and procedures for a new company. It takes some of the pressure off and gives you the ability to learn without looking too stupid (unless you open your mouth).
09-24-2013 | 04:25 PM
#938
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From: Left seat on a kite
Thanks for the reply, RI.
I understand there is a 500 hour premium to the minimums for PICs hired off the street versus the internal candidates. My issue is that I pretty much meet the internal requirements for a 100 PIC, but I would need another couple of years at my current rate to have the hours to be a street captain.
Is it your intention to eventually move away from having to hire street captains, and fill all positions from within? I assume that would be preferable. Reason I ask, I would hate to hold out till I had the hours for a PIC position to find you were no longer hiring off the street.
Thanks again
I understand there is a 500 hour premium to the minimums for PICs hired off the street versus the internal candidates. My issue is that I pretty much meet the internal requirements for a 100 PIC, but I would need another couple of years at my current rate to have the hours to be a street captain.
Is it your intention to eventually move away from having to hire street captains, and fill all positions from within? I assume that would be preferable. Reason I ask, I would hate to hold out till I had the hours for a PIC position to find you were no longer hiring off the street.
Thanks again
It's tough to say what is the right move.
Good Luck with your decision.
09-24-2013 | 04:26 PM
#939
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From: Left seat on a kite
EAS is pretty straight forward in the interview process about the seat lock. For me, it was worth it to hire on as an SIC even though I have the time to be a PIC (barely). I felt the ability to bring my family back to my hometown and work at a company that I'm proud of was worth the price of admission (being an SIC for a while). I've been a PIC at other companies and can tell you that I've been treated with more respect and dignity as an SIC here than as a PIC elsewhere.
There is also something to be said for being in that right seat while you learn a new aircraft and learn policies and procedures for a new company. It takes some of the pressure off and gives you the ability to learn without looking too stupid (unless you open your mouth).
There is also something to be said for being in that right seat while you learn a new aircraft and learn policies and procedures for a new company. It takes some of the pressure off and gives you the ability to learn without looking too stupid (unless you open your mouth).
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