What are you unhappy about that has led you to leave? Was it the schedule perhaps? You sure jumped the ranks and made an entrance to be leaving so fast. -1 morale.

Didn't every pilot you call talk about the schedule, and you tried to make a change? No need to beat a dead horse, especially when the ACP can't even encourage a change. You seemed to care, but you also made it pretty clear that you were the only person who cared. -2 morale.

Making reference to the response above, the point of my post is that the schedule is a large contributing reason for low morale. You call me a troll without disputing the morale of YOUR pilots. I can cover other low points in pilot morale...but I learned better in kindergarten (-3 & -4 morale).

A user asked about the pilot morale, I answered the question from my experiences just as MigBoy did.

The proof is in the pudding, the company is successful, which gives many of us hope that there will be some positive changes in the future. But also look at the hiring, its not only growth, its pilots leaving for any other opportunity...even instructing at SimuFlite. A"troll" does not give compliments where they are due i.e. maintenance, the pilot group, successful company, follows the FARs. However, if I am a "troll" because I have seen and experienced things, and choose to stay, but tired of seeing folks come in the doors with one expectation and a short time later be disheartened...then call me a troll!

 

Just curious.... I'm having trouble with this math--doesn't 12/3 work out to 24 days a month working (in a 30 day month)...?

 

The other 6 days would be considered "at home standby"

 

You have no clue of why I am leaving. I have given as much or more to this company as they have given to me. I have had the backs of the pilots inside of EAS since the start. How dare you suggest that I didn't try to make a change here. Your ignorance shines bright!

The troll comment was brought about because you make a post looking like you are from the outside. Then three days later, you show that you are from the inside. You post about the SIC's who are not eligible for upgrade. You know this yet you make a post to stir the pot.

As for the hiring, you obviously are spewing your thoughts/opinions of turnover vs hiring. A few have left and we have hired far more than them.
You are obviously one of our chronic complainers and no changes we could ever make will satisfy you.

 

I apologize if this claim wasn't accurate in your view. My reason for making this statement was feedback from three gentlemen who came to EAS from different regional companies that implied they were experiencing a great change from the past.

Yes, I agree there are pro's and con's to each and every position.

At the end of the day, we make an individual choice to be happy. I sincerely advocate to you as your colleague to address these morale issues with our management and discuss it! It's no secret that EAS is a busy operation with plenty of business.. (we are blessed..) but it's ALSO no secret that we are full of good people who listen. Speak up!

 

Please refer back to my post. I said "You seemed to care, but you also made it pretty clear that you were the only person who cared."

I know you cared and you worked for the pilots. Forget that you think that I am attacking EAS. Now, re-read my post. I never said YOU didn't try to make a change. I really thank you for your efforts, no BS.

Oh...so I stirred the pot asking a question regarding SIC's and upgrades? If that question stirred the pot on a public forum with only you to answer so far, I wonder how it stirred the pot inside the company with over 60 pilots?

Chronic complainers...now why in the world would you have any of those. The original post regarding MORALE wasn't specifically answered. You obviously have no problem pointing out every other detail in my original post regarding the schedule even though it was factual and later confirmed because you didn't understand the point since it was so "transparent". I made it clear that I understood turnover vs. hiring when I said the company is SUCCESSFUL. Seriously, do you think I would go down this road without understanding this simple principles of adding 4 aircraft in 3 months?

I don't dance so well so lets cut to the chase. You have yet to make any comment on the pilot morale (your the ACP who makes the phone calls so you should know best); a vague comment regarding what all the company has given you, which is a lot considering you have been here for a whole year and a half and probably more than anyone else has got since your arrival (and not to say you didn't earn it but it sure looks awkward considering you don't upgrade an SIC to PIC but upgrade a PIC to ACP within a year); you assume we didn't think your on the pilots side; you continue to demean us as "trolls" since we have something to share publicly that isn't completely positive; and you consider "a few" leaving without seeing my post regarding the growth but fail to recognize why the "few" left in the first place which goes back to the first original issue considering MORALE which you haven't answered.

Nobody here said EAS was a bad place all around. Every company from Southwest to unknown flight school has problems and unhappy complainers. I made it clear my intent was to make sure that facts regarding the normal operation are seen from a different light so that there is one less new pilot to ask me "Is this really how it is?".

Regarding 12/3 schedule...yes that does mean there are over average 24 days a month available to the company. You are required to work, but compensated over 20 days. Not every month is like that, but like I said before there are others who work an average of 19 days a month.

MigBoy...why speak up and beat a dead horse? I know your on a slightly different side but you should also understand that there is no reason to make a stink out of something that the ACP already tried to change and no official company acknowledgement of the issue (and now the ACP is leaving). As long as the stack of resumes with qualified applicants are full, there is no reason to change what works even when people want to stick with the company and are begging for something positive to hold on to.

Like I said before, I hope for the best but am cognizant of the reality that there is no reason for change when applicants don't understand the full picture of the operation and follow the lead of those painting a perfect picture. We do a disservice to the company and the community by blowing sunshine at first then pushing away good people when its already too late.

 

BeerPlanesBabes,

Why don't you give me a call and I can fully explain my reasons for leaving. Your idea of my departure being for the schedule is completely wrong.

As for my efforts for the pilot group, thanks for your acknowledgment that I have had your interests in mind here as do the CP and DO.
Where do you think that I am painting a "rosy/perfect" picture for interviewees. I fully explain our schedule and how many days are workable. You are like many here whose only legit complaint is the 12/3 schedule and how we are trying to get all the new hires spoiled up and online.
We, hiring team, have been playing a huge game of catchup as sales have increased and planes have been brought on. We can't hire as fast as the sales happend and planes were brought on.
To add to it, late summer and fall are the busiest times for us and you know that.

As for the SIC's ...you are completely aware of the upgrade policy and the elegibility criteria. These SIC's were not eligible to move up.
So why do you act that mgmt had some other intentions to bypass them?
As for moving into the ACP role, what costs were involved in my promotion as compared to an SIC moving to PIC.

 

Did you get a job at a major?

 

No sir, I am going to a Part 91 job.
They came to me with the offer, I wasn't lookin to leave EAS.
I have done lots of praying, debating and discussing to get to the point of leaving.
I am not interested in working for the majors and don't have any apps in anywhere.

 

That's great man. Best of luck!