DrJekyll MrHyde

Cheers to that! I have a similar feeling. The letter to the NMB was definitely thorough, it was both a damning recap (for the company) of negotiations and a well worded call-to-action.

If this isn’t effective, then ALPA National better be ready to take the gloves off; because it is indicative of a problem with the RLA process that effects the bargaining power of every U.S. ALPA pilot group. ALPA Intl represents 60,000 pilots, so if a call-to-action from the President of the largest pilot union in the world representing one of the smallest US major carriers doesn’t produce results, how would ALPA claim it is still an effective representative for its much larger pilot groups? They can not let the NMB slither away from its responsibility to declare an impasse, doing so would send a very clear message that to all airlines that they may follow suit in their negotiations, because the RLA process is effectively dead.

Ted Striker

Can anyone post a break down of the letter for us outsiders?

FNGFO

May your NMB experience be more pleasant than your ULCC brothers. Good luck, and get a great contract.

Aero1900

Sure. Frontier management has negotiated in bad faith for the entire duration of negotiations. Their proposals are far below industry average. They want us to take major work rule concessions. They have already been found to have negotiated in bad faith over a letter of agreement requiring them to negotiate higher pay based on the company profit.

Their latest proposal was 7% lower pay than Spirit. Enough BS already. pretty sure that sums the letter to the NMB up pretty well

PulledBreaker

Additionally, ALPA reiterated how our cities served would be minimally impacted by a strike and that there are other carriers that can accommodate passengers when we walk out the door.

PowerMan

^^^This.

Our negotiations have been a blueprint for the process that leads to the 30 day cooling off. Our union has been more than reasonable, pilots have taken no adverse actions, management has been found to bargain in bad faith by a neutral party, and management proposals have been unreasonable by any and all metrics. If we aren’t released, no one will be.

CantStayAway

Agreed. However, I’m not holding my breath. Here’s hoping the NMB does what the taxpayers actually pay them for...

ReserveCA

Unfortunately the NMB really doesn’t HAVE to do anything. .....
As Indigo pockets a million plus per day

dracir1

Me neither. Hope for the best and plan for the status quo.

Neverthless, I do think our NC has done a fairly decent job thus far. Not everything has been to my liking, but I can't complain w/ the letter that was drafted.

Hats off to them.

El Gipple

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but I have a severe allergic reaction to these forums so don't read em. That being said, realistic expectations for Frontier pilots (I am one of them) are in order.

Spirit 2010 CBA
- 2 years(ish) in mediation
- Requested proffer in September 2009
- Released into 30-day cooling off period May 2010

Time between request and release: 8 MONTHS

Hawaiian 2017 CBA
- 2 years(ish) in mediation
- Requested proffer in June 2016
- Released into 30-day cooling off period NEVER
- TA in February 2017

Time between request and new contract: 8 MONTHS

NMB board members in 2016 were more experienced/established (willing to take professional/political risk?) and labor friendly (2 dems and 1 rep) than those on the board today (1 dem holdover from previous board).

Anyone have the specific timeline for Comair?

Might be nice for this information to find its' way to the Frontier pilots FB page as well. I'd post it but my skin would melt off if I logged in there.