Frontier Negotiations Discussion
#2461
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 919
Best way to get better payrates for both the current and future Frontier pilots is for those that can to leave!.
Those that have the opportunity to leave will actually get the better payrates much faster than those that stay behind, but the pressure that is brought on Frontier as people leave will be your best chance to actually see better payrates in the future.
If those on the outside looking in will wait until this is resolved, the new higher payrates could happen even faster
Those that have the opportunity to leave will actually get the better payrates much faster than those that stay behind, but the pressure that is brought on Frontier as people leave will be your best chance to actually see better payrates in the future.
If those on the outside looking in will wait until this is resolved, the new higher payrates could happen even faster
#2462
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 627
Not to paint a broad brush, but with all of the big 6, plus NK, B6, G4, etc all hiring, why can't more guys at F9 get out?
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
#2463
Not to paint a broad brush, but with all of the big 6, plus NK, B6, G4, etc all hiring, why can't more guys at F9 get out?
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
If you know the secret, please share. My only guess is that during my peak hiring window occurred during the “lost decade”. But for right now my only logical choice is to bite the bullet and fight.
#2464
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 63
Not to paint a broad brush, but with all of the big 6, plus NK, B6, G4, etc all hiring, why can't more guys at F9 get out?
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Last edited by F9pilot15; 10-02-2018 at 03:17 PM.
#2465
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 775
It was a hard pill for me, I was a not vote. Fact is the NMB isn't going to release anyone when the employer is giving a raise. That's how the NMB looks at the situation. Hate to say it you're better off taking the money and running!!!!
#2466
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 224
Not to paint a broad brush, but with all of the big 6, plus NK, B6, G4, etc all hiring, why can't more guys at F9 get out?
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
I don't think it's so much an issue of why aren't people leaving, it's why haven't they gotten the call. For one Delta stopped hiring over the summer. Two, United hasn't really started hiring a whole lot, albeit a few classes and a large pool. Third, AA is mostly flows. Fourth, SWA from what I hear is extremely fat on pilots although they are still hiring. Work culture there is great, but you'll be an FO on the guppy for a long time. Not to mention if you've been here more than 3 years AND we get a new contract soon (which we will), you'll come out ahead financially if you stay. As for the rest of the carriers anybody here longer than 2 years would be foolish to jump ship due to golden handcuffs, minimal pay diff vs QOL, again if we get a new contract.
I know people are going to start harping, "It is going to be at least another year rapey!" Anybody who judges a 30+ year career on something that may or may not happen within a year is a moron. Ask any senior Capt at any airline and they will tell you the same thing. "Once you get hired, never leave, because the airline you're at now isn't going to be the same one you retire at."
With that being said, if you can get a call from the legacies, please at least interview. It would be a great opportunity.
Flame away.
#2467
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 118
I've flown with numerous First Officers that check every box on an application. They've attended numerous job fairs, update airline apps twice a month, and are great to fly with. None can seem to get the call.
I don't think it's so much an issue of why aren't people leaving, it's why haven't they gotten the call. For one Delta stopped hiring over the summer. Two, United hasn't really started hiring a whole lot, albeit a few classes and a large pool. Third, AA is mostly flows. Fourth, SWA from what I hear is extremely fat on pilots although they are still hiring. Work culture there is great, but you'll be an FO on the guppy for a long time. Not to mention if you've been here more than 3 years AND we get a new contract soon (which we will), you'll come out ahead financially if you stay. As for the rest of the carriers anybody here longer than 2 years would be foolish to jump ship due to golden handcuffs, minimal pay diff vs QOL, again if we get a new contract.
I know people are going to start harping, "It is going to be at least another year rapey!" Anybody who judges a 30+ year career on something that may or may not happen within a year is a moron. Ask any senior Capt at any airline and they will tell you the same thing. "Once you get hired, never leave, because the airline you're at now isn't going to be the same one you retire at."
With that being said, if you can get a call from the legacies, please at least interview. It would be a great opportunity.
Flame away.
I don't think it's so much an issue of why aren't people leaving, it's why haven't they gotten the call. For one Delta stopped hiring over the summer. Two, United hasn't really started hiring a whole lot, albeit a few classes and a large pool. Third, AA is mostly flows. Fourth, SWA from what I hear is extremely fat on pilots although they are still hiring. Work culture there is great, but you'll be an FO on the guppy for a long time. Not to mention if you've been here more than 3 years AND we get a new contract soon (which we will), you'll come out ahead financially if you stay. As for the rest of the carriers anybody here longer than 2 years would be foolish to jump ship due to golden handcuffs, minimal pay diff vs QOL, again if we get a new contract.
I know people are going to start harping, "It is going to be at least another year rapey!" Anybody who judges a 30+ year career on something that may or may not happen within a year is a moron. Ask any senior Capt at any airline and they will tell you the same thing. "Once you get hired, never leave, because the airline you're at now isn't going to be the same one you retire at."
With that being said, if you can get a call from the legacies, please at least interview. It would be a great opportunity.
Flame away.
#2468
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
Not to paint a broad brush, but with all of the big 6, plus NK, B6, G4, etc all hiring, why can't more guys at F9 get out?
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
Is it 1) lack of turbine PIC, 2) No degree, 3) DUI or other criminal history 4) Multiple checkride failures, or 5) Senior enough to be bound by the golden handcuffs??
It seems to be that if the NMB isn't going to be of any help, that the most fitting solution is for ALPA to push for F9 pilots to be given expeditious interviews at all those other carriers.
To support this idea further, wouldn't the legacies and 2nd tier majors WANT to poach pilots from their direct competitors like F9, unlike the regionals where they feed the mainline??
#2470
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Airbus F/O
Posts: 333
I’ve been here for over 4 years. When I got hired here I was very confident I would move on in less than 6 months. I have everything the legacies are looking for, went to multiple career fairs, some in house and was told my resume is everything they are looking for. Guess what, nothing, not even an invite for an interview. My point is that a significant amount of people here would love to have moved on, is just not as easy as some think. Because of this, I’m hoping and doing everything in my power to help us achieve a good contract, because although I would have loved to be at Delta by now, that may never happen. I have been told by many pilots at legacies that at this point at my age I’m better riding this ship for better or worse. I still keep my apps up to date as I would love to at least get the interview to then have the opportunity to make a decision, until that happens is all good wishes.
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