Frontier Negotiations Discussion
04-21-2018, 05:25 AM
#1461
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb
I’m with PowerMan on the general theme of his post.
As far as I’m concerned, our initial ask from 2+ YEARS ago was barely acceptable 2 years ago. Sticking with it today—after several carriers have significantly upped the industry average—is completely unacceptable.
The worst part is that my understanding is that we’ve negotiated downward from the initial ask. No bueno.
The basic hourly rates we asked for 2+ years ago are now 20 to $25 under industry average. We’re not even asking for profit sharing. How much is profit sharing worth to Delta, WN, AA, etc. $20 to $40 per hour? Based on 1000 hours per year? How much will it cost me to buy industry standard OWN OCCUPATION disability insurance? My understanding is that we didn’t even ask for this.
Based on everything I’ve been able to glean from talking to P2P folks as well as communicating with members of the negotiating committee directly, I am almost certainly a no voter on the first TA.
As far as I’m concerned, our initial ask from 2+ YEARS ago was barely acceptable 2 years ago. Sticking with it today—after several carriers have significantly upped the industry average—is completely unacceptable.
The worst part is that my understanding is that we’ve negotiated downward from the initial ask. No bueno.
The basic hourly rates we asked for 2+ years ago are now 20 to $25 under industry average. We’re not even asking for profit sharing. How much is profit sharing worth to Delta, WN, AA, etc. $20 to $40 per hour? Based on 1000 hours per year? How much will it cost me to buy industry standard OWN OCCUPATION disability insurance? My understanding is that we didn’t even ask for this.
Based on everything I’ve been able to glean from talking to P2P folks as well as communicating with members of the negotiating committee directly, I am almost certainly a no voter on the first TA.
04-21-2018, 05:29 AM
#1462
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Originally Posted by Stiflers Mom
Hey therapysession, we're going to need you do go ahead and forward those APC posts to the NMB, mmmkay? Ohhh yeah, and Simplicity is a little short out at DIA this weekend, so we're going to need you to go ahead and don the face mask and dump some lavs, mmmkay? Yeahhhhh, that'd be great, thanks.
04-21-2018, 06:37 AM
#1463
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Originally Posted by therapysession
You do realize that Spirit did in fact get in trouble for "flying the contract" right? I know your post is all in good fun and light hearted but in all seriousness, think about what you say.
04-21-2018, 09:08 AM
#1464
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Posts: 50
Originally Posted by therapysession
You do realize that Spirit did in fact get in trouble for "flying the contract" right? I know your post is all in good fun and light hearted but in all seriousness, think about what you say.
04-21-2018, 09:34 AM
#1465
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The list of pros and cons in the company's proposal is too lopsided. The only good items are no PBS, standard trip rig, and premium folder. The rest is substandard and dated. The industry pattern is much higher now. We need to make that clear.
Send this to the membership, as is, so we can get the no vote back to the NMB before summer. It's the strongest bargaining position we can have going forward.
Because I am 100% confident we aren't getting released.
Send this to the membership, as is, so we can get the no vote back to the NMB before summer. It's the strongest bargaining position we can have going forward.
Because I am 100% confident we aren't getting released.
04-21-2018, 03:37 PM
#1466
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Posts: 1,348
Originally Posted by therapysession
You do realize that Spirit did in fact get in trouble for "flying the contract" right? I know your post is all in good fun and light hearted but in all seriousness, think about what you say.
04-21-2018, 07:11 PM
#1467
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Posts: 180
Originally Posted by PulledBreaker
The list of pros and cons in the company's proposal is too lopsided. The only good items are no PBS, standard trip rig, and premium folder. The rest is substandard and dated. The industry pattern is much higher now. We need to make that clear.
Send this to the membership, as is, so we can get the no vote back to the NMB before summer. It's the strongest bargaining position we can have going forward.
Because I am 100% confident we aren't getting released.
Send this to the membership, as is, so we can get the no vote back to the NMB before summer. It's the strongest bargaining position we can have going forward.
Because I am 100% confident we aren't getting released.
04-21-2018, 08:31 PM
#1468
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA
I don't think "flying the contract" got them in trouble. ....... it was a concerted effort to break "status qou"
04-21-2018, 08:34 PM
#1469
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Originally Posted by Stiflers Mom
They sure did get in trouble... and how's that working out for them right now? I've never posted anything about "only fly the contract", so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Just making an observation about their situation, that's all.
04-21-2018, 11:19 PM
#1470
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Posts: 550
Originally Posted by motorboatin
Ummmm, you do understand that the NC sent this back to the Co and there’s nothing to vote on, right??
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