Frontier Negotiations Discussion
04-24-2018, 12:43 AM
#1501
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Originally Posted by DC7C
+1. For many of us, this is the last, or for me, the second to last contract before retirement. If a Union can’t hit a grand slam in these economic conditions, it cant be done, ever! Now go sic em boys!
Grand slam or shut the doors
04-24-2018, 10:55 AM
#1502
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA
Hear hear!!!!
Grand slam or shut the doors
Grand slam or shut the doors
Yeah, I know - total chick flick but there was an interesting part that made me think.
In the movie, the husband of the main character had invented a self-charging battery while in college. He shopped it to a major venture capitalist company and was basically waiting for them to realize the genius of it and offer him a job as an engineer (as well as a fat paycheck for his work). His college girlfriend who became his wife basically supported him and he worked odd job to odd job just to make ends meet. Many years passed waiting for the discovery to happen to no avail. He finally got the call one day (probably some 15-20 years later) and he actually ended up being fired from his current job as a truck driver in order to make the interview. At the interview, the investment company does offer him a large sum of money (it happened to be $800k) for the battery but not near as much as the invention was worth (billions). As you might imagine, at that point in his life, he was very down on his luck, had no money, his wife was leaving him, etc. and could've easily accepted the check and probably put his life back together.
But, because he knew the value of his work, he declined. When he tells his wife what he was offered, she kicks him out of the house (it was hers) and files for divorce. Soon after, he's washing dishes and homeless - all because he REFUSED to cave to the pressures of large scale ownership undervaluing (actually exploiting) his worth.
In the end, he was awarded a very large ($75 mil) payday.
Yes, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic. Yes, the actual movie wasn't about him at all but more about a personality disorder the wife had that caused her to act completely crazy and deranged. Yes, I did go see it and a Wrinkle in Time (don't judge).
But my point stands. I'd rather this airline fail completely than to ever vote yes on a substandard contract. You might not be where I am mentally and emotionally. You might not care as much as I do or it just doesn't resonate with you like it does for me. But, I'm at the point where I can only be disrespected and exploited for so long. I'm all about trying to find a win-win solution - and this airline could very easily make money while providing us a fair or even above industry standard contract. But, if they feel the need to exploit me in order to get every $0.01 they can, then F*&k them. I'd rather neither of us make any money.
Acrimony?
Last edited by dracir1; 04-24-2018 at 11:31 AM.
04-24-2018, 11:46 AM
#1503
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 44
Originally Posted by dracir1
Did anyone here watch the movie Acrimony?
Yeah, I know - total chick flick but there was an interesting part that made me think.
In the movie, the husband of the main character had invented a self-charging battery while in college. He shopped it to a major venture capitalist company and was basically waiting for them to realize the genius of it and offer him a job as an engineer (as well as a fat paycheck for his work). His college girlfriend who became his wife basically supported him and he worked odd job to odd job just to make ends meet. Many years passed waiting for the discovery to happen to no avail. He finally got the call one day (probably some 15-20 years later) and he actually ended up being fired from his current job as a truck driver in order to make the interview. At the interview, the investment company does offer him a large sum of money (it happened to be $800k) for the battery but not near as much as the invention was worth (billions). As you might imagine, at that point in his life, he was very down on his luck, had no money, his wife was leaving him, etc. and could've easily accepted the check and probably put his life back together.
But, because he knew the value of his work, he declined. When he tells his wife what he was offered, she kicks him out of the house (it was hers) and files for divorce. Soon after, he's washing dishes and homeless - all because he REFUSED to cave to the pressures of large scale ownership undervaluing (actually exploiting) his worth.
In the end, he was awarded a very large ($75 mil) payday.
Yes, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic. Yes, the actual movie wasn't about him at all but more about a personality disorder the wife had that caused her to act completely crazy and deranged. Yes, I did go see it and a Wrinkle in Time (don't judge).
But my point stands. I'd rather this airline fail completely than to ever vote yes on a substandard contract. You might not be where I am mentally and emotionally. You might not care as much as I do or it just doesn't resonate with you like it does for me. But, I'm at the point where I can only be disrespected and exploited for so long. I'm all about trying to find a win-win solution - and this airline could very easily make money while providing us a fair or even above industry standard contract. But, if they feel the need to exploit me in order to get every $0.01 they can, then F*&k them. I'd rather neither of us make any money.
Acrimony?
Yeah, I know - total chick flick but there was an interesting part that made me think.
In the movie, the husband of the main character had invented a self-charging battery while in college. He shopped it to a major venture capitalist company and was basically waiting for them to realize the genius of it and offer him a job as an engineer (as well as a fat paycheck for his work). His college girlfriend who became his wife basically supported him and he worked odd job to odd job just to make ends meet. Many years passed waiting for the discovery to happen to no avail. He finally got the call one day (probably some 15-20 years later) and he actually ended up being fired from his current job as a truck driver in order to make the interview. At the interview, the investment company does offer him a large sum of money (it happened to be $800k) for the battery but not near as much as the invention was worth (billions). As you might imagine, at that point in his life, he was very down on his luck, had no money, his wife was leaving him, etc. and could've easily accepted the check and probably put his life back together.
But, because he knew the value of his work, he declined. When he tells his wife what he was offered, she kicks him out of the house (it was hers) and files for divorce. Soon after, he's washing dishes and homeless - all because he REFUSED to cave to the pressures of large scale ownership undervaluing (actually exploiting) his worth.
In the end, he was awarded a very large ($75 mil) payday.
Yes, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic. Yes, the actual movie wasn't about him at all but more about a personality disorder the wife had that caused her to act completely crazy and deranged. Yes, I did go see it and a Wrinkle in Time (don't judge).
But my point stands. I'd rather this airline fail completely than to ever vote yes on a substandard contract. You might not be where I am mentally and emotionally. You might not care as much as I do or it just doesn't resonate with you like it does for me. But, I'm at the point where I can only be disrespected and exploited for so long. I'm all about trying to find a win-win solution - and this airline could very easily make money while providing us a fair or even above industry standard contract. But, if they feel the need to exploit me in order to get every $0.01 they can, then F*&k them. I'd rather neither of us make any money.
Acrimony?
This is my first experience going thru a contract negotiation, but the level of greed and disrespect shown by the company makes my blood boil.
04-24-2018, 12:25 PM
#1504
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by dracir1
Did anyone here watch the movie Acrimony?
Yeah, I know - total chick flick but there was an interesting part that made me think.
In the movie, the husband of the main character had invented a self-charging battery while in college. He shopped it to a major venture capitalist company and was basically waiting for them to realize the genius of it and offer him a job as an engineer (as well as a fat paycheck for his work). His college girlfriend who became his wife basically supported him and he worked odd job to odd job just to make ends meet. Many years passed waiting for the discovery to happen to no avail. He finally got the call one day (probably some 15-20 years later) and he actually ended up being fired from his current job as a truck driver in order to make the interview. At the interview, the investment company does offer him a large sum of money (it happened to be $800k) for the battery but not near as much as the invention was worth (billions). As you might imagine, at that point in his life, he was very down on his luck, had no money, his wife was leaving him, etc. and could've easily accepted the check and probably put his life back together.
But, because he knew the value of his work, he declined. When he tells his wife what he was offered, she kicks him out of the house (it was hers) and files for divorce. Soon after, he's washing dishes and homeless - all because he REFUSED to cave to the pressures of large scale ownership undervaluing (actually exploiting) his worth.
In the end, he was awarded a very large ($75 mil) payday.
Yes, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic. Yes, the actual movie wasn't about him at all but more about a personality disorder the wife had that caused her to act completely crazy and deranged. Yes, I did go see it and a Wrinkle in Time (don't judge).
But my point stands. I'd rather this airline fail completely than to ever vote yes on a substandard contract. You might not be where I am mentally and emotionally. You might not care as much as I do or it just doesn't resonate with you like it does for me. But, I'm at the point where I can only be disrespected and exploited for so long. I'm all about trying to find a win-win solution - and this airline could very easily make money while providing us a fair or even above industry standard contract. But, if they feel the need to exploit me in order to get every $0.01 they can, then F*&k them. I'd rather neither of us make any money.
Acrimony?
Yeah, I know - total chick flick but there was an interesting part that made me think.
In the movie, the husband of the main character had invented a self-charging battery while in college. He shopped it to a major venture capitalist company and was basically waiting for them to realize the genius of it and offer him a job as an engineer (as well as a fat paycheck for his work). His college girlfriend who became his wife basically supported him and he worked odd job to odd job just to make ends meet. Many years passed waiting for the discovery to happen to no avail. He finally got the call one day (probably some 15-20 years later) and he actually ended up being fired from his current job as a truck driver in order to make the interview. At the interview, the investment company does offer him a large sum of money (it happened to be $800k) for the battery but not near as much as the invention was worth (billions). As you might imagine, at that point in his life, he was very down on his luck, had no money, his wife was leaving him, etc. and could've easily accepted the check and probably put his life back together.
But, because he knew the value of his work, he declined. When he tells his wife what he was offered, she kicks him out of the house (it was hers) and files for divorce. Soon after, he's washing dishes and homeless - all because he REFUSED to cave to the pressures of large scale ownership undervaluing (actually exploiting) his worth.
In the end, he was awarded a very large ($75 mil) payday.
Yes, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic. Yes, the actual movie wasn't about him at all but more about a personality disorder the wife had that caused her to act completely crazy and deranged. Yes, I did go see it and a Wrinkle in Time (don't judge).
But my point stands. I'd rather this airline fail completely than to ever vote yes on a substandard contract. You might not be where I am mentally and emotionally. You might not care as much as I do or it just doesn't resonate with you like it does for me. But, I'm at the point where I can only be disrespected and exploited for so long. I'm all about trying to find a win-win solution - and this airline could very easily make money while providing us a fair or even above industry standard contract. But, if they feel the need to exploit me in order to get every $0.01 they can, then F*&k them. I'd rather neither of us make any money.
Acrimony?
Right there with you.
04-24-2018, 01:55 PM
#1506
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Posts: 3,395
Originally Posted by therapysession
Does anybody know why we haven't gotten a union email explaining the next steps vs going to PUB events?
04-24-2018, 02:03 PM
#1507
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Posts: 624
Originally Posted by Mugatu
No more FAPA/ALPA battles. Long, long over and 100% irrelevant. Complaining about ALPA is also pointless right now. Work like you normally do, wait for the strike, wait for the TA and vote if you like it or not. Simple folks. Management loves to see internal strife among pilots, at the wrong time, cuz for them it’s divide and conquer.
I’ll wait for the TA and read the entire package before I vote yes or no. Until then I don’t care except support our NC.
I’ll wait for the TA and read the entire package before I vote yes or no. Until then I don’t care except support our NC.
In unity! Best negotiating environment in history (quote from ALPA mag). Spirit as the litmus test is NOT going cut it!
04-24-2018, 02:06 PM
#1508
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Posts: 231
I agree completely, Im still in my late 30s so I have time, but not much.
I too would rather watch this place burn to the ground than agree to a sub standard contract. I don't want to start over at another airline but I will if forced too. Ive flown with many older guys that say they are not leaving no matter what and need this job.
Im sorry some are in that position and I agree it would totally suck to be 60 years old starting over or leaving aviation all together.
I would personally hold my head high and maintain my pride and dignity knowing I did the right thing not just for myself but my fellow aviators, and sleep well at night knowing I didnt cave to a greedy bully.
But who am I kidding we all know Indigo will pay us before shutting down their fat cash cow.
I too would rather watch this place burn to the ground than agree to a sub standard contract. I don't want to start over at another airline but I will if forced too. Ive flown with many older guys that say they are not leaving no matter what and need this job.
Im sorry some are in that position and I agree it would totally suck to be 60 years old starting over or leaving aviation all together.
I would personally hold my head high and maintain my pride and dignity knowing I did the right thing not just for myself but my fellow aviators, and sleep well at night knowing I didnt cave to a greedy bully.
But who am I kidding we all know Indigo will pay us before shutting down their fat cash cow.
04-24-2018, 02:11 PM
#1509
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Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,395
Originally Posted by zoooropa
Wait just a darn second. Let me tell you a few things about FAPA....just kidding
In unity! Best negotiating environment in history (quote from ALPA mag). Spirit as the litmus test is NOT going cut it!
In unity! Best negotiating environment in history (quote from ALPA mag). Spirit as the litmus test is NOT going cut it!
I agree completely. As far as the Spirit contract goes, we have to do better. And I believe we will.
For one thing, pattern bargaining should work that way. Second, we have LOA 67 on our side. The company has finally admitted that they owe us something for that. And lastly, the Spirit pilots had a TRO held against them. We have in a better position than Spirt was. We need to do better than they did. We need to raise the bar.
04-24-2018, 02:16 PM
#1510
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Originally Posted by singlepilot
I agree completely, Im still in my late 30s so I have time, but not much.
I too would rather watch this place burn to the ground than agree to a sub standard contract. I don't want to start over at another airline but I will if forced too. Ive flown with many older guys that say they are not leaving no matter what and need this job.
Im sorry some are in that position and I agree it would totally suck to be 60 years old starting over or leaving aviation all together.
I would personally hold my head high and maintain my pride and dignity knowing I did the right thing not just for myself but my fellow aviators, and sleep well at night knowing I didnt cave to a greedy bully.
But who am I kidding we all know Indigo will pay us before shutting down their fat cash cow.
I too would rather watch this place burn to the ground than agree to a sub standard contract. I don't want to start over at another airline but I will if forced too. Ive flown with many older guys that say they are not leaving no matter what and need this job.
Im sorry some are in that position and I agree it would totally suck to be 60 years old starting over or leaving aviation all together.
I would personally hold my head high and maintain my pride and dignity knowing I did the right thing not just for myself but my fellow aviators, and sleep well at night knowing I didnt cave to a greedy bully.
But who am I kidding we all know Indigo will pay us before shutting down their fat cash cow.
Let the NC do their job. And wait to judge until a TA is in your hands.
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