Frontier Negotiations Discussion
12-01-2017, 06:08 PM
#501
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Posts: 180
Originally Posted by RockyMntAV8R
Boat,
As I said I appreciate the NC. Its my opinion the communication has not always been timely. I am not the only one to have this opinion. You see it differently. Your post is true to form that no one on this board can critique of offer a recommendation that might help the process. None the less I look forward to seeing you on the 7th.
As I said I appreciate the NC. Its my opinion the communication has not always been timely. I am not the only one to have this opinion. You see it differently. Your post is true to form that no one on this board can critique of offer a recommendation that might help the process. None the less I look forward to seeing you on the 7th.
12-01-2017, 06:54 PM
#502
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Posts: 580
The only chance this pilot group has at a fair wage and work is rules is to be released. Stop the dance around the loser prom and get to it. Release us, cool off, and strike if possible. Money has already been left on the table. Don’t lose anymore and don’t settle for an inferior contract.
12-02-2017, 01:56 AM
#504
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Not surprising.....
More proof that the ownership gives LITTLE OR NO VALUE to the hard working professionals who operate the aircraft.
They will not give unless it is in their financial interest (loss of revenue/strike)
So what does “at that point mean”..........
Did we ask for profer of arbitration?
If so, did the NMB respond?
Be there on Thursday
Full retro
More proof that the ownership gives LITTLE OR NO VALUE to the hard working professionals who operate the aircraft.
They will not give unless it is in their financial interest (loss of revenue/strike)
So what does “at that point mean”..........
Did we ask for profer of arbitration?
If so, did the NMB respond?
Be there on Thursday
Full retro
12-04-2017, 09:27 AM
#507
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Originally Posted by Jetspeed
It took the NMB around 3 months to release Spirit when they submitted their proffer. I'm guessing it won't be anytime soon for us unfortunately.
Btw this time around the NMB is telling us to pound sand on any chance of being released because they think the company is being more than reasonable with their industry bottom offer. Attrition and recruitment are our main leverage at this point.
The company is also arguing that a full retro payment would be their entire profit for a year and it’s in no way possible. Never mind the retro could’ve been much smaller if they weren’t stalling at every turn. Even in the best negotiating environment in our careers the system is against us.
Get out! Don’t wait for Frontier to pay because indigo learned from mistakes last time how to now avoid a strike and still never pony up.
12-04-2017, 09:36 AM
#508
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
The union nor company submit a proffer. The NMB does that and if either side says no then then you go to a cooling off period for 30 day followed by a strike or lockout.
Btw this time around the NMB is telling us to pound sand on any chance of being released because they think the company is being more than reasonable with their industry bottom offer. Attrition and recruitment are our main leverage at this point.
The company is also arguing that a full retro payment would be their entire profit for a year and it’s in no way possible. Never mind the retro could’ve been much smaller if they weren’t stalling at every turn. Even in the best negotiating environment in our careers the system is against us.
Get out! Don’t wait for Frontier to pay because indigo learned from mistakes last time how to now avoid a strike and still never pony up.
Btw this time around the NMB is telling us to pound sand on any chance of being released because they think the company is being more than reasonable with their industry bottom offer. Attrition and recruitment are our main leverage at this point.
The company is also arguing that a full retro payment would be their entire profit for a year and it’s in no way possible. Never mind the retro could’ve been much smaller if they weren’t stalling at every turn. Even in the best negotiating environment in our careers the system is against us.
Get out! Don’t wait for Frontier to pay because indigo learned from mistakes last time how to now avoid a strike and still never pony up.
12-04-2017, 09:44 AM
#510
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Sorry I should’ve stated I’m at Spirit and this has been communicated in not so many words to us.
I wish the best for my Frontier brothers.
I wish the best for my Frontier brothers.
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