MCDUmeafavor

Career long forum watcher, First time poster.

BEANS GFY

Duct Mon

6 months prior to my employment contact ends I will be actively and aggressively looking for employment by other airlines. When I first got to F9 everyone (ALPA, Pilots, Recruiters, Mgmt) were telling me that a new contract was on the way. Some even saying before Thanksgiving. 😡. Now it looks that we are many months if not years away from a new contract. And with mgmt now wanting to tear down the existing work rules that F9 pilots have benefited from and made this place worth working.
I agree with some of the recent posts about the current state of negotiations, ALPA’s position and the lack of willingness to be fair from mgmt. it makes it easier for me to make a decision to leave.

NWSteeringArmer

Every airline in the history of airlines has sucked bad at some point... it is our turn to suck... when Southwest started, it was a bunch of people who couldn’t get hired at TWA or Eastern... The pilots of southwest were a bit of a laughingstock, much like we are now... 6 or 7 years ago, most pilots would’ve sold their first born just to get an interview there... 30 years ago, if you had a choice between Eastern and Delta and you chose Delta, you were a moron... look how that would’ve turned out... no one knows what’s going to happen... In 5 years, Delta might be asking in their interview, “well what if Frontier comes calling?” (Highly unlikely, I know but then again I don’t know)... pilots have to make decisions that are best for themselves and their families... if you think going to Delta or United is best for you, then you should put forth the effort... if you are fortunate enough to get hired, I will be the first to congratulate you and wish you well...

You go to Delta because there’s better compensation... how long do you think an airline management is going to pay out north of $500M a year in profit sharing? I wouldn’t expect that to last forever, especially because the airlines are cyclical and history shows Delta will eventually not make a profit at some point... but if you look at Delta for what it is now, you have to look at Frontier for what it is now... every single person on property, in 10 years, will be in the top 20% of the seniority list... that’ll never happen at Delta or any legacy... what’s the most important, individual thing to a pilot? Where he or she sits on the list...

I don’t think we’ll have a contract anytime soon... I am pessimistic when it comes to airlines but I’m also realistic... we work for greedy people and they want to keep their money... we are an inconvenience to them... but I agree to be here and they pay me what the agreed upon rate is... I just don’t take it personally anymore because it’s a job... but it’s a job I believe will get way better in the next few years... you have the right to better yourself and make a decision for the betterment of your career, and like I said, if you leave for greener pastures, I’ll be the first to congratulate you...

It is our turn to suck... power through the suck, and you might actually have a good career if you choose to stay

Mesabi

That assumes F9 will actually get the 130-ish airplanes they just ordered. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. It’s an unknown quantity to bet your career progression on.

The legacies, however, have a very known quantity. Retirements. LOTS and LOTS of retirements.

It’s still a gamble either way.

Macjet

Are you stupid or just in denial? Pick on Beans if it makes you feel any better but all he/she is doing is parroting what the NMB has already stated. There is a hierarchy in the airlines and the NMB put Alaska/Virgin behind DAL, AA, and UAL. Where do you think that leaves us (NK) or you? It won't be on par with the Big 3 or even A/V. We will be put behind them in compensation. And there's still Blue to get behind as well. Calling Beans 'delusional' doesn't change what the NMB has already stated as fact.

Did you know that Taco Bell pays the same price for rice, beans, ovens, proofers, etc as Houston's? One has a dollar menu and one has a $48 prime filet. Do you think their employees are paid the same? I don't think so. It doesn't make it right but that is the way it is and that has been confirmed by the NMB.

We are due significant raises but we will not be paid legacy rates. You need to either accept that or work on getting yourself to a legacy. Gyro was right. If you want United wages then you need to go to United.

Macjet

You will never, ever strike. Are you still hoping for this unicorn?

Mugatu

Paid management trolls are beginning to show their heads.

Mugatu

Paid management troll.

Qotsaautopilot

He’s not but has lost the will to fight. They broke him

Arty13

100% READY TO STRIKE. I'll see you out on the picket line today! We're severely limited by the RLA, but today we have the opportunity to exercise one of the few tools at our disposal.