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01-12-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by coolyokeluke

My personal opinion is that the NMB is in collusion with airline management.

Absolutely. Both have similar interests, they are pro business, pro profit. We are the greedy overpaid pilots.

What's to stop Franke from privately meeting with them individually? Nothing illegal about it.

01-12-2018, 04:55 PM

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Because evidently we are the little fish in a big pond. It's a bit concerning, but I'll wait until next week to worry about it.

Spirit was in a big mediation session all week in DC at ALPA HQ so maybe that's where the other board member was ?
My friends there think they may have a TA also.

01-12-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coolyokeluke

My personal opinion is that the NMB is in collusion with airline management. They routinely allow this kind of behavior on management's part: skip a meeting, send someone in unprepared and without decision making power, come in with an unacceptable proposal, say they still have to review the Union's proposal thought they have had more than adequate time to do so, schedule the next meeting months hence. And the NMB just plays along, occasionally they offer a few words of admonishment to management or act displeased. You see it played out many times at different companies, yet nobody gets released to self help.

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01-12-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker

Make that two! You fellers need to educate yourselves. DEALS get done and that’s the bottom line, while maintaining the integrity of the system. And if you forgot, Spirit was released and indeed did strike. No one since then because deals were made. People were sounding the bell that Allegiant should have been allowed to strike before they got their deal. Really?? You think so?? Well the NMB keeps planes flying and trains rolling, and they see the process through. The RLA certainly has flaws, but the system works. It may not work on the timeline we like, but the prescedent for retro is well established, so delaying by the Co’s only costs them more when deals get finalized. As for the NMB being in cahoots with Mgmt, I thank you for the very big laugh, but it saddens me to know we do the same job.
#****holeairline ;-)

01-12-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by motorboatin

but it saddens me to know we do the same job.
#****holeairline ;-)

I fly airplanes, I don't negotiate nor represent pilots. I also don't manage an airline. Neither do you.

I just call it like I see it.

If you don't think that the NMB and airline management have the same interests, you are walking around with your head up your rear.

01-12-2018, 05:41 PM

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Retro is rarely 100%, and it's frequently not part of the new contract. The Spirit strike was 7.5 years ago - plenty of airlines have gone many years past the end of their contracts at sub standard pay, after all the t's crossed and i's were dotted that should have allowed them to start the cooling off process. Meanwhile management has almost no incentive to negotiate in earnest, the longer it drags on the more they save. I think I am pretty well educated on this. Republic Airlines had to go 7 years past the amendable date of their crappy contract.

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01-12-2018, 08:04 PM

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Spirit pilots just got a TA. More information will be out tomorrow.

01-12-2018, 08:24 PM

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Spirit pilots just got a TA. More information will be out tomorrow.

My friend at Spirit said it looks close to Alaska pay rates.

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01-12-2018, 09:09 PM

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My friend at Spirit said it looks close to Alaska pay rates.

If so, it's PBS.

01-12-2018, 10:20 PM

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If so, it's PBS.

Company proposal last year was $256 + 2% override for the A321 for a 12 year CA at the end of the contract. It would have to be higher than Alaska for us to see PBS.