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Old 11-10-2017 | 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cflapjack
What did that mean for them? Is that a "management doesn't need to come because they're useless"?
No, she was indicating that Spirit management’s last offer should be sufficient for an agreement, and their MEC didn’t budge (at all or enough), so she iced them.
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Old 11-10-2017 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
No, she was indicating that Spirit management’s last offer should be sufficient for an agreement, and their MEC didn’t budge (at all or enough), so she iced them.
I thought I read she was big into flight attendant Unions before she took that office. I guess I expected differently from her. Hopefully she'll have a different view on our situation.
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Old 11-10-2017 | 05:55 AM
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She’s also the one who released spirit into self help, or made the recommendation to, when they went on strike
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Old 11-10-2017 | 09:56 AM
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Here is a link to a chronological list of ALPA articles from the time mediated talks ended, to a proffer of arbitration being accepted by NMB (and then immediately rejected by the pilots), 30 day cooling off period, and the days on strike.

Scroll to the bottom of the page and work your way up.

Alpa > Press Room > Spirit Pilots on Strike
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Old 11-10-2017 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
Here is a link to a chronological list of ALPA articles from the time mediated talks ended, to a proffer of arbitration being accepted by NMB (and then immediately rejected by the pilots), 30 day cooling off period, and the days on strike.

Scroll to the bottom of the page and work your way up.

Alpa > Press Room > Spirit Pilots on Strike
Basically 4 months

TLDR:
Contract talks end 2/22/10
30 day cooling begins 5/14/10
Strike 6/12/10
New TA 6/17/10
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Old 11-10-2017 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
If you honestly believe this then you are beyond hope!

Scope is the only thing that will allow you to count on paying your bills or your ability to go on vacation! Without it, your job (and thus your livelihood) can be outsourced tomorrow.
When you've got unlimited codeshare scope becomes irrelevant. RAH proved that with whipsawing the Midwest pilots against us.

"Make these changes in you contract or we'll ship all your Airbus flying to the guys who were just flying narrow bodies themselves." They had a spare certificate, and a workforce who finally balked at ~$90/hr for the 717. I think they would have jumped at the chance to get off unemployment and fly 319s for $160/hr, but I have no way of knowing what ALPA's stance would be on such a move, but there wasn't a strike, and the family is hungry...

RAH likely could have done it because we don't limit codeshare, and they have no integrity. Check your own contracts. SWA used to be the only major with zero codeshare for a long time. I haven't looked lately.
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Old 11-12-2017 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
If you honestly believe this then you are beyond hope!

Scope is the only thing that will allow you to count on paying your bills or your ability to go on vacation! Without it, your job (and thus your livelihood) can be outsourced tomorrow.
The only way you can count on scope or even a pay check is to have a federal judge who see's thing's your way. Not a lot of those left.
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Old 11-13-2017 | 05:54 PM
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Good Luck.

With Puchala still sitting on the board, I doubt the NMB will make any difference.

That said, F9 "seems" to fly mostly vacationing people, and has a small east coast traffic share, so there's hope.

With consolidation, success for one is success for all.
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Old 11-15-2017 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde
No, she was indicating that Spirit management’s last offer should be sufficient for an agreement, and their MEC didn’t budge (at all or enough), so she iced them.
Wrong, our MEC budged quite a bit. You are kidding yourself if you guys think you are going to close this out soon, lol
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Old 11-15-2017 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Mediation resumes Nov 27th.

NMB head Patricia Simms will attend. Lets get this done.
She's not the head of the NMB. She's a Senior Mediator.

Patricia Sims | The National Mediation Board
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