Let's get one thing straight... NO ONE is suspended WITH PAY.

 

Actually, yes, this can and has happened.

If the company wants to have a Section 13 discipline hearing, they can suspend you WITH PAY pending the outcome of the hearing. They also have to give you 2 weeks notice of the hearing. Adds up to two weeks suspended with pay.

It's all in the contract. Most people don't read it until their first Section 13 hearing!

 

Has Hawaiin Airlines pay scale for 321 been the case for a while or is that new?

Hawaiian Airlines | AirlinePilotCentral.com

 

They just voted in the new contract about a week and a half ago.

 

I'm going to catch a lot of grief for writing this I'm sure, but I came from a regional that had PBS and I actually liked it.

I don't understand how we can want legacy pay, 401k match, profit sharing, ect and not get what every legacy has for bidding (Hint, it's not line bidding). I understand that trip dropping will go away and you can't double dip to pad the pay check, but god forbid when you senior guys are making 250k you actually take some time off and enjoy your vacation. If you want days off before or after vacation than just list them as a preference, pretty simple. Also, if we get to the size we are planning on getting, I don't want to be fumbling through 60 pages of lines. I'm scared many of you have 0 experience with PBS and have just heard about it through the FAs. I assure you, it's not that bad.

My time at the regionals we went from line bidding to PBS and the only people that seemed to care/got upset over it were the senior ones stuck in their ways. I would bet that holds true here, and considering the young guns are starting to outnumber the senior folks, I would start talking about when we get PBS and not if we get it.

It's a hard thing to sell to your FO that's making a regional pilots wage to vote no based on PBS. "Please give up a 40% pay raise, 16% 401k, profit sharing, 100% DH pay, ect because I don't want to learn a new bidding system. Don't worry though, I'll buy your beer tonight."

Just my opinion though. Let the scathing begin.

 

Great post. Your supposed to be able to post your thoughts on here.

Supposedly the company is not asking for PBS.

Your right, it's hard to tell a mediator you want industry standard on some things but not others. PBS is standard for the legacies.
So is a credit cap. Which promotes more pilots being on the property.

There's also two sides to the story.
Guys here have had to maximize credits per month in order to earn a decent wage so it's hard to see past what's been going on here as it's the norm.
Perhaps with appropriate pay guys can work their schedule and enjoy their time off more.

 

SWA doesn't have pref bid. Got a pretty good contract without giving it up too...

 

Openly discussing pilot opinions regarding on-going negotiations in a public forum is a bad idea. This thread needs to be closed.

 

This, for the win.

I really enjoy discussing hypotheticals and what-ifs, too, but I have to admit I cringe when I see this stuff out in public. You can bet the management team is monitoring the inter webs for pilot thoughts on negotiations.

If they haven't done it already, I'm sure management will use threads like this to throw in the faces of our negotiating team to show that they--management-- know the wants and needs of the pilots better than our union representatives. Heck, it may even give them ideas of things they can add or remove from proposals.

As my friends can attest, I'm certainly not above speculating and discussing what I'd like to see in a contract, but I try not to do it in an open forum. Instead, I bore my friends with my opinions via the telephone and talk directly with the ALPA folks whenever I can.

 

Maybe you had excellent contractual provisions for PBS. I did not. My experience with PBS is that you can "preference" anything you want (like days off around vacation). It certainly doesn't mean you are going to get it. If the system doesn't have the available pairings by the time it reaches your seniority number, it ignores your preferences and starts shotgunning the scraps to your line; including trips on days right around your vacation that you "preferenced" off.

At Frontier, even a junior line holder can bid a crap line, that just so happens to work well with their vacation, and end up with a really nice stretch of days off.