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Old 04-03-2017, 09:19 AM
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I'm throwing up the Pathetic flag on that post.

Sorry, there's more to the story. Nobody gets suspended for solely calling in fatigued.
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli View Post
I'm throwing up the Pathetic flag on that post.

Sorry, there's more to the story. Nobody gets suspended for solely calling in fatigued.
I wouldn't be surprised one bit. But of course, you have to lean toward the company's side as normal.
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner View Post
From what I understand, it's 4 days off between "work blocks", not "trips". So, you may have a 4 day trip, backed up to a 2 day trip (or any conceivable combination of trips), to complete your "work block". Seems like that would encourage the company to fill up six full days of flying with any crazy combination of trips, just to maximize your "work block" efficiency. I could be very wrong. Maybe a Spirit guy can chime in how this work rule plays out in practice, with regards to actual schedule creation.
This +1,000,000,000,0000%. Mandatory 4 days off in between BLOCKS (not pairings), which is what Spirit has, BLOWS! Does back to back 3 days sound good, or a 4 day followed by a 2 day, or a 4 day followed by 2 day trips. Do you like having inconsistent days off, I.e roll from Fri-Mon OFF to start month, and end with Mon-Thur OFF? Because this is what happens at Spirit on a LOT of lines, solely because of mandatory 4 days off between BLOCKS! I have friends at Spirit and have seen their bid packets, so I'm not pulling this out of my a** I would be LIVID if we implemented this!!! It's straight garbage!

If you want 4 days OFF between pairings, that's easy to accomplish at F9 already via swap, drop, add, ect.......be careful what u wish for!

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Old 04-03-2017, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sab1250 View Post
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If you want 4 days OFF between pairings, that's easy to accomplish at F9 already via swap, drop, add, ect.......be careful what u wish for!
+1 ^^^^^^^^^
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:35 PM
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I just confirmed that too. The official reason was not for calling in fatigue, but for "not being at the gate 45 minutes prior to the flight", and a fatigue call happened as well. Pretty sure the FOM says 30 minutes prior, but I wasn't there to understand all of the events.
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sab1250 View Post
This +1,000,000,000,0000%. Mandatory 4 days off in between BLOCKS (not pairings), which is what Spirit has, BLOWS! Does back to back 3 days sound good, or a 4 day followed by a 2 day, or a 4 day followed by 2 day trips. Do you like having inconsistent days off, I.e roll from Fri-Mon OFF to start month, and end with Mon-Thur OFF? Because this is what happens at Spirit on a LOT of lines, solely because of mandatory 4 days off between BLOCKS! I have friends at Spirit and have seen their bid packets, so I'm not pulling this out of my a** I would be LIVID if we implemented this!!! It's straight garbage!

If you want 4 days OFF between pairings, that's easy to accomplish at F9 already via swap, drop, add, ect.......be careful what u wish for!
As an NK commuter, I will say that the min 4 days off between work blocks is nice to have. I'm the first to admit that it has a few drawbacks (6 day work blocks, inconsistent days off), but calling it "straight garbage" is a bit ridiculous. Back to back 3 days is not ideal, but it is certainly preferable to a 3 day with 1 day off followed by another 3 day. I would argue that the issues with our lines are more a result of a lack of a decent trip rig and min calendar daily than they are a result of the min 4 days off. You can swap/drop if you don't want or need the 4 days off. It's a nice protection to have for initial line construction. Prevents single days off for commuters and guarantees a base level QOL for junior line holders as well.
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Old 04-03-2017, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch View Post
Just found out it's true. So in this case, yeah I sure do.
I'm sorry hot-rod, but you're wrong. NO ONE gets suspended for calling in fatigued. If there was a suspension, there's a bigger story (as there usually is) and you're only being told 1/2 or maybe even 1/10 of the actual story. Read the FARs regarding 121 fatigue and then tell me if you think what you report could actually have legs.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch View Post
I wouldn't be surprised one bit. But of course, you have to lean toward the company's side as normal.
Oh your being pathetic and negative as usual. That's fine.
There's more to the story than someone just calling in fatigued and getting suspended.
Saying there's more to the story (and there is or will be) has nothing to do with taking the companies side.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:09 PM
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Lets get it right, yes the captain was suspended for 2 weeks WITH pay.
More to it than a fatigue call though.
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Originally Posted by singlepilot View Post
Lets get it right, yes the captain was suspended for 2 weeks WITH pay.
More to it than a fatigue call though.
Ummm, that's a vacation, not a suspension!!!
I'll take two weeks off with pay. I wanna know what he did.
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