Biffsteritis

The problem with our TA is that it does not identify specific instances when rescheduling is permitted. The lack of specific language provides scheduling the ability to ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ on a whim, which will have a compounding effect on the rescheduling of other crews.

Many pilots at F9 have told me that they don’t care where they spend the night. I ask,

-Do you care about preserving seniority in the bidding process?

-Can you mitigate fatigue calls after you plan and prepare for a short duty period only to be reassigned to three long duty periods with 12-hour overnights?

-Will multiple fatigue calls calls result in the company questioning my medical fitness? (I would like to think not, but after seeing the way that the company has behaved during the last year, and the fact that they wanted this provision, it seems plausible.)

I encourage all my fellow pilots to closely look at this TA prior to casting your vote.

We all want more money. Believe me, I have big plans for my bonus check. However, I am willing to sacrifice short-term financial gains (long-term for the time value of money crowd) if necessary in order to fix the numerous loopholes in this TA. My hope is that my fellow pilots on the line are willing to do the same.

DimpledBalls

If a group like SWA pilots, where labor and management have a working relationship are complaining about how reassignments are getting out of control, what do you think Pat Ryan is gonna do to you under any TA we vote in. I don’t care what the road show folks say, this reassignment language is a disaster. Coupled with PBS, prepare to work 20-30% more at the some of the industry’s lowest pay rates for next 8 years.

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motorboatin

First of all, I bet you wouldn't know Pat Ryan if you tripped over him. Second, what you don't realize is that there is nothing the Co wants to do less than reassign pilots because of the trickle down effect that negatively impacts the operation down stream. It won't happen willy-nilly in the new era, just like it doesn't happen that way now.

motorboatin

Also, you fail to recognize that it's not our job to introduce fixes to how the company recovers from an upset. And, Frontier crew scheduling does not use Sky-Solver software..they do it manually. Regardless, it's incumbent on the union to solve for issues relating to violating the pilot's original footprint..which they have done through highly punitive measures if the footprint mandate is violated.

motorboatin

Also, explain to me, with specificity, how PBS will make me work 20%-30% more?? Not only does the DDL and DAG stay intact, I will now have the ability to drop to 60hrs credit for 6 months out of the year, if I so desire. So please, be longwinded.

V1 McFlyerson

Highly punitive? Are you sure you know what the word punitive means? A reassignment that gets you back 2:59 after your originally scheduled release time for NO additional compensation is hardly punitive. It is plenty enough time to miss your commute opportunities, however.

Also, there is no penalty for unlimited reassignments within your footprint and there should be. Your unfounded theory of the way things are going to work under a completely new system is completely irrelevant.

HeisenbergBlue

THIS!! You just summed up most No voters on APC. Unfounded theory of how PBS will work. Unfounded theory of how they will be contact non stop and reflowed out of every...single...leg every teipbthey have because the company hates us!

Thank you, Thank you for finally admitting that people have Unfounded Theory’s!!

motorboatin

Right, 2:59. You really gonna set the brake at 2:59? If so, well that's you're prerogative but likely most readers realize that you're not even being close to practical with an argument like that. But humor me, what do you get NOW if you get back 3:59 late on the same day following reassignment?? Goose egg, right pal?

"...no penalty for unlimited reassignments within your footprint and there should be." Please explain this in detail? I'm curious about this comment, there should be??? Why?? Because you emotionally believe??
Listen, while you're working, you go where you're told. You're not a mgmt guy. You're not an owner. You're a pilot. You're labor. Get paid if you're over. And, if you're honest with yourself, most of the time when reassigned, it works in your favor and you're home early. Sometimes by a day or two. Barring the meltdown two years ago (which in the new language would have allowed me to make house payments for damn near half a year) you're not getting screwed.
So I honestly don't believe you have legitimacy to spread fear based rhetoric like the sky is falling or that we're all going to fall off the edge of the earth as we get close to the horizon. None of that happened but those that thought it would, would have bet there lives on it.

V1 McFlyerson

I guess you're too unhinged over your ratification bonus to see that this is a big issue for the real airlines like Delta, United, American, and Southwest, yet our MEC is trying to choke it down our throats. The same MEC that credits hundreds of INC hours while management is bargaining in bad faith. Color me skeptical. The absurd contract we currently fly under is not the basis I use for the merits of this T.A., the industry is.

Really HB. Pull your britches up, vote no, and start that degree or whatever. You deserve so much better.

motorboatin

Not sure where you've been or what you're experiencing, but much like your comment about blocking in at 2:59, seems like you sir, are highly emotional but I don't fault you for it. These are emotional times but we must be logical and look at facts. I've been to a couple of pubs in the past two weeks, was present at half of one and one entire roadshow, and I've never felt like anything has been jammed down my throat. Quite the contrary, I've gotten a few answers I've not been really excited about, but the union didn't try to sugar-coat anything. Fact and honesty is all I've gotten from them and I think most others I've spoken with feel the exact same way. And what you continue to miss is the simple fact that this contract is all about improvements. Period! Beat your chest all you want about JetBlue, United, Delta or whoever but it's a waste of time, friend. From where you are now to where this new contract will take you is all that matters. 70%+ and over $1B. Yes sir, you will be far better. Maybe not as good as you wanted, but MUCH better than where you are today.
BTW..this pilot group has credited thousands of hours in INC, so focusing on a few MEC folks that did some INC flying long ago is not relevant. Sounds like you may have a beef with some of them personally.