Trowserchilli

You funny.

This contract went from industry standard, to industry average, to now your new found description, “THIS CONTRACT IS ALL ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS”. That’s it, improvements. Way to put yourself up there in the industry!
Spirits guys can’t decide whether to laugh at us or shake their head for making it tough on them for their next deal.

See we gave their management team all the leverage they need to come to the table on their next go around and rid them of their:

Reassignament pay
5hr pay for 24hr layovers
LTD own occupation until 65
FDP extension pay
Move up pay from long call to short call
321 override
International pay
3hr short call
Ability to drop to ZERO
On and on

But hey as long as you can break 82 every month we’re all good.

Trowserchilli

I’ll quote the article again since you didn’t bother to read the first page:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/...edule-changes/

“Union Determination

Leaders of the Air Line Pilots Association say they’re determined to change work rules in their contract that date back to Delta’s emergence from bankruptcy in 2007. They begin talks on a new labor agreement in April. APA, which represents aviators at American, also will seek contract changes when negotiations with American start in January.

“The whole reroute issue is supposed to be an exception in the contract” for times when operations are disrupted, said Chad Smith, a Delta captain and head of the union’s negotiating committee. “We want the contract to allow for that. But more and more, it’s being used as an everyday tool for the convenience of the company.”

Being used as an everyday convenience. Read that?

The ball was dropped on this reassignment language. Period. It’s easier to just come out and own it. ALPA knows it’s not a good thing.
We had the opportunity to put some stop gaps in place to ensure this reassignment isn’t abused. We didn’t.

motorboatin

Sorry you’re so frustrated but you’re not backing up anything with fact. Question: Are we being reassigned as an everyday convenience? Answer: No

Delta is dealing with an entirely different set of issues. Much of their narrowbody fleet operates RJ type flying. In and out of hubs on every other leg. And they have the ability to make changes. What exactly are you arguing? What exactly are they arguing? You want the schedule you get when awarded and if there’s a change they’re just supposed to let you go home??

Regarding pay, yes it is about improvements. If the pattern wasn’t where it was, there’s no way out union could have achieved the percentage increases they did. So we went from $100 behind on a rate scale to approx $20 behind. What would you do? Stay at the lesser and continue to kick and scream and cry out that you want more?? Good luck with that. It’s not going to happen. We got what we got and if you can’t see the value, I’m sorry for your inability to be reasonable. If you can’t see how good so many of the items we have are and you’d like to focus on what we don’t have, I’d invite you to recall the parable about the grass always being greener elsewhere. Do some homework. Do some real in depth analysis and you’ll see that these other carriers also have shortcomings. It’s a nuance of a contract.

DrJekyll MrHyde

I fixed your question/answer for you. You’re welcome.


The new TA makes reassignment extremely convenient. And it WILL be used as a convenience.

V1 McFlyerson

Not to worry. You'll soon realize it's ok because it'll just be a nuance of our contract. There's no reason management wanted the PTC change. The change was simply to satisfy ALPA's word count requirements on new contracts. It's just fluff.

motorboatin

Good luck dealing and coping in the new world era. All the whining and moaning and unsubstantiated nonsense and factless rhetoric isn’t going to change the direction of this movement. Apparently you’d rather not listen to the real reasons behind why they agreed to what they did regarding PTC. But I’m sure you’ll wax with more garbage about how you’re going to get screwed. BFD

None of you hardcore NO people can ever give anything of substance to back up what you’re saying. Just anecdotal gibberish or one sided quotes from OTHER airlines about THEIR reassignment woes?? Unbelievable. Half of you don’t even know what you’re arguing for or against. Oh well, maybe you’ll use some of your new income on the therapy you’re going to need when this contract ratifies next week.

DrJekyll MrHyde

You didn’t debate anything I wrote, internet tough guy. Go ahead, try to pick apart my response to you. I’m anxious to read your substantial and non-anecdotal “facts” about PTC that I’m missing from the black and white text of the TA.

Biffsteritis

Carbonrider? Is this one of your alter ego accounts?

Trowserchilli

This, from the same guy that posted THIS:



“Originally Posted by motorboatin View Post
Exactly, the cost of a pilot is solidifying. Each day mgmt drags their feet, the more favorable conditions become for us. Wn hopefully ratifies a solid contract that establishes reasonable pay, benefits, retirement, and NO PBS!! Our mgmt will not have much of a choice, pay or we will strike with unity. If they feel as though we are not worth it, they may need to find another business to go rape and pillage!!”

PorkandBeans

Oh my. This is a bizarre about face.