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Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2742506)

Thanks. To be clear, if I started say April 11th, coverage would begin May 1st?
At JB, coverage begins the first after your first full calendar month, so if you started April 11th, coverage wouldn’t begin until June 1st.

Yeah at F9 it would begin May 1st.

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Originally Posted by FollowMe (Post 2742478)

Is the contract not in effect until it is replaced by a ratified successor? If all you want is a guarantee on the side of the box I can take a crap in a box and mark it guaranteed.

Hey if You can’t read and answer a question without adding your dislike and negative comments for the new contract, you can stop posting. It saves people a lot of time actually answering them correctly and without your crap attitude.

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Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2742551)

You bought the X-ray glasses out of the back of the magazine for $0.55 and expected them to work too, right?

The question was how long the current contract will be in effect for. The correct answer is until a new agreement is ratified to replace it. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

“Vote yes this time, we will fix it next time!!!!” - HB

So basically, buddy passes and dependents who do not have ZED access will only be able to able to fly on Frontier flights?

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Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue (Post 2742551)

Because 5 or 4.5 years is not correct or a genuine answer. Just like our hopefull "effective payrates," right? Why can't you give a genuine answer as to the effective duration of this contract?

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Sec 31 - Duration
Q: Why did we agree to a five-year term and when does our five-year term begin?
A: If ratified, the contract amendable date will be January 16, 2024 with an option for ALPA to open six months early on July 1, 2023. As depicted by one of the slides posted on the website, most other airlines will likely become amendable just ahead of us, and our goal is to take advantage of a favorable industry pattern, just as we did in this round of bargaining. In addition, by agreeing to a 5 year term, we were able to achieve 3% increases in the last 2 years of our Agreement, and we were also able to achieve an “extra” across the board increase, raising our total wages to a higher level when we next enter bargaining. Last but not least, with the implementation of PBS, which will require a significant amount of bargaining, our intent is to negotiate additional improvements over the terms of the contract, as has been the case at many other successful ALPA carriers. Negotiations that occur outside of Section 6 are positive for the pilots because favorable changes can occur sooner, and there is less to address when we actually open our negotiations under Section 6.

The first bolded is what ultimately concerns me about Frontier. You have to be ok with riding NK's coattails and not doing $h1t for the industry ourselves. While our management bargains in bad faith and takes the operation to the BRINK our MEC will take that opportunity to credit 100's of hours a month until the company has almost completely choked their goose that lays the golden eggs. Then Barry will saunter in and give us the lowest thing out there plus a little "effective."

Also, that's a very optimistic view of our PBS negotiations (arbitrations).

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Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2742572)

So basically, buddy passes and dependents who do not have ZED access will only be able to able to fly on Frontier flights?

Yes, afaik from my friends flying at different majors this is exactly how it is there as well. Its not like the regionals where you flew for a few different majors so your dependents could fly on those same couple different ones as well.

ZED travel restrictions come from the other airlines allowing you ZED travel, so those restrictions are common as well.

Is there any airline that gives buddy passes that can be used for another airline or ZED travel? Sorry not trying to sound rude, it's a real question, I'd be shocked if there was but that would be a cool perk.

This ZED talk brings up a question for me. Does anyone know the story behind why United and Delta do not share the agreement with us?

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Originally Posted by GhostRider22 (Post 2742590)

This ZED talk brings up a question for me. Does anyone know the story behind why United and Delta do not share the agreement with us?

We had UAL until 2015 ish I believe? Could be misremembering. They seem to be stingy with agreements and if there is not an even mutual reciprocity they will drop agreements.

Yeah, I remember when it fell apart, I just couldn’t remember when.

Thanks

Was there anything in the TA Q and A section that gave pointers on how to get open time request approved. I notice I am constantly denied and the same pilots always seem to squeeze in a split second before I do. Is there some inside info that only an elect few know about? :confused: