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TOGALOCK 02-10-2022 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3370054)
Some will stay. Most will leave unless the contract is on par with the legacies. Most of the people coming from the cadet programs are very young. To stay at a ULCC under current contracts vs going to a legacy will cost them MILLIONS over their career. Not to mention the total lack of operational support relative to the legacies. Why would anyone do that?

I do agree with that and this is why we need to make sure we all are on the same page and sink this merger ship with no votes until the contract and pay rates ensure that many will stay. This merger could very well put the combined company on a track to become the next Southwest in the future. The only way that will happen though is if new pilots can see it as another Southwest. The only way for that to happen is $$$.

foreverreserve 02-10-2022 08:16 AM

LAS
 
How long is it currently taking new hires to get LAS?

TOGALOCK 02-10-2022 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by foreverreserve (Post 3370105)
How long is it currently taking new hires to get LAS?

Two new hires in the 1/31 class were awarded LAS right out of the gate. It looks like August ‘21 hires are the next most junior.

Excargodog 02-10-2022 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3370108)
Two new hires in the 1/31 class were awarded LAS right out of the gate. It looks like 8/21 hires are the next most junior.

NK guys have been getting it right out of the gate too. At worst after OE.

dracir1 02-10-2022 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3370054)
Some will stay. Most will leave unless the contract is on par with the legacies. Most of the people coming from the cadet programs are very young. To stay at a ULCC under current contracts vs going to a legacy will cost them MILLIONS over their career. Not to mention the total lack of operational support relative to the legacies. Why would anyone do that?

This^^^^^^^

pilotboy10 02-10-2022 09:33 AM

What about being awarded DEN right out of the gate? Heard DEN is junior for FOs; is this correct?

TOGALOCK 02-10-2022 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by pilotboy10 (Post 3370150)
What about being awarded DEN right out of the gate? Heard DEN is junior for FOs; is this correct?

Junior? No. Able to hold right away? Very possibly. Any new hire should be able to get any base they want in short order. How quickly they’ll move up the list, hold a line, etc. is a different story.

pilotboy10 02-10-2022 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3370153)
Junior? No. Able to hold right away? Very possibly. Any new hire should be able to get any base they want in short order. How quickly they’ll move up the list, hold a line, etc. is a different story.

Thanks. I'm local in DEN so I really don't care how long I sit on reserve. Just want to get base where I live. I have had the experience of commuting to a Regional job. Never again.

TOGALOCK 02-10-2022 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by pilotboy10 (Post 3370160)
Thanks. I'm local in DEN so I really don't care how long I sit on reserve. Just want to get base where I live. I have had the experience of commuting to a Regional job. Never again.

You bet. I looked at the seniority list. Most Junior DEN FO is a July ‘21 hire. So, it wasn’t too long out of training for them to hold it.

singlepilot 02-10-2022 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by TOGALOCK (Post 3370059)
I do agree with that and this is why we need to make sure we all are on the same page and sink this merger ship with no votes until the contract and pay rates ensure that many will stay. This merger could very well put the combined company on a track to become the next Southwest in the future. The only way that will happen though is if new pilots can see it as another Southwest. The only way for that to happen is $$$.

Agreed, I’m passing up my offer at a legacy because I look forward more to what these combined pilot groups can achieve than taking the gamble at a legacy.
I have full faith and confidence that together we can achieve a contract comparable to the big 4.
I wish I could give my offers to someone who wants them. I was planning on typing my two weeks notice this week, what timing.
Leverage is strongly on our side, and these two groups are solid as they come and thirsty.
Let’s make it happen.


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