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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker (Post 2805364)

For a lot of guys, I think the average block this year will be much much higher.

Eh I have a feeling most will burn out by June or July.

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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 2805368)

Eh I have a feeling most will burn out by June or July.

That's a good question for sure. I think there is no doubt that guys are picking up a lot more open time now that the pay rates make open time much more appealing. Plus, with the contract settled, there's no shame in snagging open time trips.

How long will it last? I imagine a year or so? From what I can tell, this is the reason for the slowdown in hiring.

Interestingly, I ran into a training dept guy yesterday and he showed we the current fleet growth and hiring projections. New aircraft deliveries are running about 8 weeks behind schedule due to CFM production delays, but we are still projecting to add a net 17 airframes in 2019 and hire over 300 pilots.

:p

I've got 3 hours in the last month. That puts me at $1,400/hr.

No open time and no reserve calls....

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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 2805678)

:p

I've got 3 hours in the last month. That puts me at $1,400/hr.

No open time and no reserve calls....

You are still way below industry average unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Turbine (Post 2803083)

Just because a corporate operator takes a hit from losing a pilot on short notice does not mean they are poorly run. Many great corporate jobs only have 1, 3 or 5 aircraft. A staff of 3 pilots may be plenty for 1 airplane to provide a decent schedule.

Many corporate pilots develop close relationships with their owners and fellow pilots, and simply don't wish to bail with a 2 week notice and leave their fellow pilots to pick up the slack.
Maybe their owner is about to send them to a $70K recurrent training course next month and they are trying to be considerate and not burn a bridge.

Fortune 400 flight departments are not like the regionals that will hire any goofball who walks thorough the door. Decent corporate operators take time to hire the right person to fit their operation. Finding a new replacement for that one slot could take a month or more.

So an airline giving only a 2 week notice to attend class can create an uncomfortable situation for said pilot. Especially if he was told to expect a class less than a month away, then 3 weeks before they change their mind and give a date 2-3 months away.

Seems like the airline may be the ones with poor management and planning.

This is BS. If you work for two weeks and you're then paid for two weeks then you're even. You don't owe them Jack. There's plenty of contract pilots or FSI/SimCom/CAE instructors who can fill a seat until a new guy who can't get hired at a major is found.

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Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2805699)

Not if they are on a 135 certificate. Training a new pilot is a process, that requires time.

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Originally Posted by PulledBreaker (Post 2805731)

Not if they are on a 135 certificate. Training a new pilot is a process, that requires time.

Yes, and when you know people dont want to stay, you as a manager need to budget for this. Remember this is business, and if the economy tanks, every single one of these places will furlough you if its best for the business.

Maybe off topic so I apologize in advance. What is the thought about how implementing PBS will effect QOL for Frontier Pilots.
Will this process benefit the senior group more, the junior pilots, or will it be roughly the same net effect for all? Pros and cons to each side?

TMB

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Originally Posted by Too Many Bosses (Post 2805828)

It would be hard to speculate on that since the final language hasn’t been negotiated yet.

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Originally Posted by Too Many Bosses (Post 2805828)

It hasn’t been discussed much as most of us don’t know. Having worked under PBS before I will say I believe it will benefit the very senior and the very junior the most.

As a junior pilot stuck on perpetual reserve, a week of vacation may actually be the ticket to holding a line one month while there are a lot of guys senior to you on reserve. That was one thing that really bothered me about PBS at my previous airline, but it comes with the territory.

The senior pilots will get to cherry pick their trips and still take advantage (although not quite as much as current book) of working over their vacations.

In general I think we will see less trips available in open time and on the trade board because more people will get what they want in the initial bid.