FAs reach a TA with F9
03-25-2019, 08:49 AM
#31
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 453
Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue
He does have a point.... Fresh wound or not, if all you want to do is still b**** about things that you are angry about after the fact, oh and things that other Legacy Airlines have like reassignment, then maybe an application isn’t a bad idea. It’s time to let go of the past and look forward to the next negotiation. Don’t forget, but stop living in the past
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Last edited by Wheelswatch; 03-25-2019 at 09:03 AM.
03-25-2019, 09:40 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
According to CNBC the lifetime rate of return of the S&P 500 is 9.8%
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/18/the-...full-year.html
We're subsidizing the operation out of our pockets.
Personally speaking
I'm pretty damned happy btw, nowadays. After watching management and our pilot group's behavior (MEC included) during negotiations I've disavowed myself of any urge to take pride in working here. If I stay it'll be to fly my trips safely, treat people well, cash the check, and go home with no attachment to who I work for. And that's sad because that's not "me." But what's the alternative? Be proud of working at a place that has wh0ring yourself out engrained in its DNA? It's just not a good union shop.
FARRRRRR more good stuff than bad though. It's really is an amazing flying job and I have (and will continue) encouraged people to come here.
It is a big-boy-airline contract and maybe it is amazing that our NC/MEC managed to pull off this contract in spite of this management team. Maybe the NMB told Indigo to "do the deal" comparatively to NK or it's all over. Who knows. But let's not forget how this pilot group truly behaved when bent over a barrel. From the "top" down the pilot group said, "may I have another" with the incentivized flying.
So again, let's not pretend that didn't all happen. Let's not pretend like we stupidly signed up for the same problem the majors are facing now. We don't need to gloss over the gross inadequacies of this new contract and pretend like they don't exist. If this place has hundreds of airplanes and ~4k pilots, PBS, and the optimization software then we'll all be on reserve. The problem is that next time, in 7 years, we'll see this progression again. The pilot group can't help itself.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/18/the-...full-year.html
We're subsidizing the operation out of our pockets.
Personally speaking
I'm pretty damned happy btw, nowadays. After watching management and our pilot group's behavior (MEC included) during negotiations I've disavowed myself of any urge to take pride in working here. If I stay it'll be to fly my trips safely, treat people well, cash the check, and go home with no attachment to who I work for. And that's sad because that's not "me." But what's the alternative? Be proud of working at a place that has wh0ring yourself out engrained in its DNA? It's just not a good union shop.
FARRRRRR more good stuff than bad though. It's really is an amazing flying job and I have (and will continue) encouraged people to come here.
It is a big-boy-airline contract and maybe it is amazing that our NC/MEC managed to pull off this contract in spite of this management team. Maybe the NMB told Indigo to "do the deal" comparatively to NK or it's all over. Who knows. But let's not forget how this pilot group truly behaved when bent over a barrel. From the "top" down the pilot group said, "may I have another" with the incentivized flying.
So again, let's not pretend that didn't all happen. Let's not pretend like we stupidly signed up for the same problem the majors are facing now. We don't need to gloss over the gross inadequacies of this new contract and pretend like they don't exist. If this place has hundreds of airplanes and ~4k pilots, PBS, and the optimization software then we'll all be on reserve. The problem is that next time, in 7 years, we'll see this progression again. The pilot group can't help itself.
03-25-2019, 09:44 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by ZooKeeper
You must be the captain of the frontier flight I commuted on yesterday lol.
Told him I was joining the frontier ranks when I asked for the ride and he immediately went on to tell me I was now the lowest paid airbus pilot in the world blah blah blah. I won’t let one bad apple dampen my excitement at the opportunity I have.
Told him I was joining the frontier ranks when I asked for the ride and he immediately went on to tell me I was now the lowest paid airbus pilot in the world blah blah blah. I won’t let one bad apple dampen my excitement at the opportunity I have.
03-25-2019, 09:59 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 134
Originally Posted by ClearCreek
He wasn’t lying. You will be the lowest paid Airbus pilot. That’s not an exciting opportunity.
03-25-2019, 10:34 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 268
Originally Posted by ZooKeeper
Well to me the prospect of making good money and having pretty good QOL is pretty exciting. Especially what im coming from.
Always remember, APC = Another Pilot Complaining.
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