Furlough
09-29-2020, 09:09 AM
#1021
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
I can’t even fathom anyone crediting more than 75 hours even remotely thinking it is acceptable. Call it whatever you want, it’s a furlough, and should be treated as such. The company wants a large chunk of pilots on the streets, what message does it send to help them out by crediting 100 plus?? It’s the definition of insanity. I could even argue the ELS guys shouldn’t even pick up trips, but it’s the only way to make a few bucks for some and lines are being built well above 75.
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
That would be an illegal work action
Everyone on property understands the ramifications. Some will work their line and a few will pick away open time like buzzards. Always been that way and always will be.
It’s always the same ones
09-29-2020, 09:13 AM
#1022
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Posts: 639
Originally Posted by butthert
The union can’t “communicate the rules of engagement”
That would be an illegal work action
Everyone on property understands the ramifications. Some will work their line and a few will pick away open time like buzzards. Always been that way and always will be.
It’s always the same ones
That would be an illegal work action
Everyone on property understands the ramifications. Some will work their line and a few will pick away open time like buzzards. Always been that way and always will be.
It’s always the same ones
09-29-2020, 09:46 AM
#1023
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Posts: 105
Concessions- we were so proud that no one got furloughed after 9/11 because we took concessions. Would it be tough to get back? Would it hurt in the long term? Sure. A price we should be willing to pay to keep our coworkers out of the unemployment Line and food on their tables.[/QUOTE
WRONG
WRONG
09-29-2020, 09:54 AM
#1024
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A bit of revisionist history going on there. We didn’t furlough after 911. We also didn’t take concessions. 2008 we did take concessions and we did furlough. It took ten years to get the concessions back and about 2ish to get the furloughs back. I’ll guess it takes less time to get furloughs back this time or half the list are furloughed. I agree min credit even on the captain side helps unless your doing it with the intention of taking a cola the following bid period. FYI some of the worst captain credit wh0res are on longer term colas.
Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 09-29-2020 at 10:17 AM.
09-29-2020, 10:23 AM
#1025
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Posts: 918
Originally Posted by JoeFever1
I can’t even fathom anyone crediting more than 75 hours even remotely thinking it is acceptable. Call it whatever you want, it’s a furlough, and should be treated as such. The company wants a large chunk of pilots on the streets, what message does it send to help them out by crediting 100 plus?? It’s the definition of insanity. I could even argue the ELS guys shouldn’t even pick up trips, but it’s the only way to make a few bucks for some and lines are being built well above 75.
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
09-29-2020, 10:31 AM
#1026
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Posts: 639
Originally Posted by WaterRooster
My favorite is a lot of the senior FOs in base that we could see their schedules for the last year are suddenly unavailable for viewing....A lot are the usual premium and OT folks
09-29-2020, 10:49 AM
#1027
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
If you hide your schedule everyone knows what you’re doing. Not fooling anyone.
09-29-2020, 11:40 AM
#1028
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Posts: 251
Not just senior. Just seen a jr fo on res in den pick up a three day trip on his off days. Nice. Since he is in the 504 picking up trips when others in the 504 are at 0 guarantee!
Originally Posted by WaterRooster
My favorite is a lot of the senior FOs in base that we could see their schedules for the last year are suddenly unavailable for viewing....A lot are the usual premium and OT folks
09-29-2020, 12:00 PM
#1029
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by JoeFever1
I can’t even fathom anyone crediting more than 75 hours even remotely thinking it is acceptable. Call it whatever you want, it’s a furlough, and should be treated as such. The company wants a large chunk of pilots on the streets, what message does it send to help them out by crediting 100 plus?? It’s the definition of insanity. I could even argue the ELS guys shouldn’t even pick up trips, but it’s the only way to make a few bucks for some and lines are being built well above 75.
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
Maybe this is off base as I’ve never been through a situation like this...but shouldn’t the union be communicating the rules of engagement for this situation, ie it is HIGHLY recommend to stick to 75 etc. ???
09-29-2020, 12:16 PM
#1030
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Posts: 639
Originally Posted by Hellokitty
Highly recommended or what? It’s our contractual right to pickup just like the guys taking upgrades. I’m just waiting for someone to tell me otherwise face to face!
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