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01-12-2021 | 08:14 AM

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TOGALOCK

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Originally Posted by SeaRider

Maybe you’re not into the D, but a green slip is a green slip.

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A green slip, eh? Sounds like something old and moldy. Now, a pink slip... Now that sounds like something desirable!

01-12-2021 | 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville

None. The only multi day trips we have are a very occasional overnight charter, and reserves getting shagged around the country. Less than 1%. Most of the charters are even long multi leg 1 day trips. 99.9% of the trips in the bid package are day trips. We also have 20 bases. I can list them if anyone cares.

Got it. Thanks. The ability for an airline to overnight it’s entire fleet within their bases only is an interesting logistic. But, having as many bases as you guys have would make it significantly easier.

01-12-2021 | 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Yeah. I'm curious how Frontier would convert the airline to a day trip system. They would have to open a bunch of new small bases and make people move. That's going to take some time. Unless they plan to merge with Allegiant.

01-12-2021 | 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville

You sure are beating the merger drum loudly. We aren’t supposed to tell you, but in F9 ground school they’ve been telling us Allegiant is being spun-off. Your management would rather build resorts and name grass inside empty stadiums. Don’t shoot the messenger but ALPA merger policy will not apply...we will let you keep the stapler when we are done.

In all seriousness though, imitation is a form of flattery so you guys must be doing something right.

01-12-2021 | 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Powderkeg

We aren’t supposed to tell you, but in F9 ground school they’ve been telling us Allegiant is being spun-off..

Oh man, now you did it. You talked and put a target on your back to get Jimmy Hoffa’d by management. Legend has it, the foundation of the crystal palace is filled with those who knew too much.

01-12-2021 | 12:04 PM

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Are red-eye turns legal in the F9 contract? That would be the only way to make day schedules work. Sitting all night in base (like the Allegiant planes usually do) doesn't pay the bills for brand new planes.

01-12-2021 | 12:13 PM

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Are red-eye turns legal in the F9 contract?

Oh yes. Not just quick hops either. For example, the February ORD bid pack has some ORD-LAS and ORD-PHX redeye turns in it.

01-12-2021 | 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Oh yes. Not just quick hops either. For example, the February ORD bid pack has some ORD-LAS and ORD-PHX redeye turns in it.

the first leg on those does not meet the contractual definition of a redeye. I’m Not saying thier easy but the only thing you can do after a contractually defined redeye leg is rest.

01-12-2021 | 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

the first leg on those does not meet the contractual definition of a redeye. I’m Not saying thier easy but the only thing you can do after a contractually defined redeye leg is rest.

I stand corrected!

01-12-2021 | 12:41 PM

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There’s also a shorter duty than 117 and a rdp protection but can’t remember the numbers. I’m really not looking to correct people just put the info out there so pilots don’t accept contractually illegal assignments. It killed us last contract.

Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 01-12-2021 at 12:51 PM.