Has the EWR base opened?

 

Do the pairings out of mia or mco share these same circadian disrupting patterns?

 

That’s the point I was trying to make. Some of us are morning people, others are nite-owls. The pairings need to stay in a consistent window for their duration, otherwise you’re going to have fatigue issues.

 

it was announced for Flight Attendants before covid and I believe postponed indefinitely.
ithe company was clear that Newark was not being considered for a Pilot Base.
The New Base game is our favorite in the cruise. Feel free to join in...

 

I understood the point you were making, but that pairings consistency of staying in the red-eye turn window is only beneficial if the pilot is already in that window to start with. If you're a morning person who gets assigned that trip, you're going to be fatigued. Period. And it's not going to get better each subsequent day.

Switching your CR around to where you're getting restorative rest during the day usually takes 1 day per 1.5-2 hours of adjustment. Switching a full 12 hours takes a normal, healthy adult about 8 days. 8 days of consistently falling asleep at the same time each morning, and waking up at the same time each night. How many of us that operate red eyes do that? I'm sure there are a few, but the vast majority does not.

A lot of research equates being fatigued to being intoxicated-we feel we're ok when we might not be. You might feel you're getting used to it by day 2 or 3, but you're really not. How many of us would like to take any sort of cognitive test while standing on the curb, waiting for the van on the second day of that pairing.

I know I'm getting long-winded, but, again, the consistency of the flight time of the pairing in question is only beneficial if the pilot is already adjusted. "Fatigue issues" are there, but we're pilots; it's expected. We don't call out fatigued when we are, by definition fatigued. We call out when we say "I....Can't....do.....it". Thresholds obviously vary, pilot to pilot.

In conclusion, red eyes suck donkey balls.

 

I have no problem sleeping 8am - 4pm and therefore don’t mind working those ^. That being said I do 3 max and then I need a break. Even with good rest after day 3 it’s starts getting to you. Not to mention how unhealthy it is to only see daylight 2/3 hours a day. Same with hub turns for dhl carriers / FedEx/ups domestic.

 

What’s the time to get a line in the various bases?

 

Impossible to answer. They could hire no one or 300 in 21 (I know it looks good now but can always change) All are ok for FO’s. Anyone hired recently and going forward won’t upgrade in DEN, which in turn makes LAS fairly senior. PHL MCO MIA are most junior. A lot rides on future bases as well. Hope that’s clear as mud.

 

Given the title/subject of this thread, would you all say that Frontier is a bad place for commuters?

Also, is there any way to access older posts about Frontier to research on my own (and not ask previously answered questions)? / Why are there only two pages of Frontier threads?

Thx

 

I wouldn't say that Frontier is bad for commuters. It's just that right now, in the middle of a pandemic, a lot of flying is day turns. I'm confident that will change as things get back to normal

That being said, living in base will give a much better quality of life and increase your earnings potential substantially