Beehan

I take your point and I will continue to defer to the experience of others. I've been asking every captain I fly with about their experiences here, and they've mostly been happy, "go home and enjoy your time off with your family and don't sweat the drama you hear" types of people. Whereas you're the angry guy who spends his time yelling on the internet.

I don't think that any of the people I've flown with would hesitate to call out sick if they had a legitimate need to care for themselves or a family member.

CrayonEater

I can attest to it. I was one of those people afraid to call out sick

CRJdriver2017

I called out sick two days ago on Xmas day. I was legit sick and the contest would have made flying very difficult. I haven’t gotten any phone calls or emails about it yet. However the scheduler gave me an attitude about it. “Couldn’t you have called us sooner?!”

BiffleBalls

Angry guy? Not on the line. I'm cool as a cucumber, until I watch the rampers search for wands for 5 minutes.. The things I say on this forum I hear other pilots say regularly, and I amplify those sentiments. Like people constantly showing up to work sick. It's not once, it's not a couple times. Management has spooked probationary FO's into thinking their career will get ruined and they won't be able to get out of here if they call in sick on a holiday - to the point where they jeopardize their health, their entire career, and show up unfit to fly. This has actually happened to me before as well. This is happening on the line right now over the holidays. Do you even know what happened last year? Ask around. The union does a crappy job getting out any sort of word on Frontier Airlines pushing pilots to fly sick or bringing import stuff like this up. By the way how does anybody yell through a keyboard unless they use all caps or rows of exclamation points? I guess I'm getting my point across and that s a good thing. Strap in.

dracir1

This is a great question and as you can see from the responses, very thought provoking as well.

First, lots of hyperbole on the internet (obviously) and this is no different. However,…

Im old enough to have had the pleasure of working for a great company, or at least one where I felt the employees held at least a modicum of interest from mgt/ownership at various points in my career. Hopefully you have too. I suspect most that are reading this have as well. Even if it was fast food, a small FBO or flight school, whatever, hopefully you’ve seen an actual mgt team care for you beyond the scope of your job and capacity to make the company money. Usually, the law of averages tells us that somewhere along the way you have had at leas one decent boss to work for at a place that you felt treated you at least ok. And, many have also had the opposite.

I don’t think it an exaggeration to mention that Frontier is not the greatest of places to work. Outside of the ticky tack BS that happens, as mentioned on here in many different places, I think there’s a general attitude from mgt that the pilot force really doesn’t matter beyond doing their job. It’s quite obvious that they don’t care about labor in general. They don’t care about their customers. And they certainly don’t care about being on time or doing the job well. In fact, I actually think that if a job were to be done well (and customer satisfaction were up), they would see that as somewhat excessive in terms of the $ spent to achieve it. The first and mostly only concern of this airline is doing whatever it is that needs to be be done e cheaply.

Right now there are about 1000 grievances in the system - I’ve heard this is more than most other airlines combined. The union has all but ceased to discuss any other matter except them (which I FULLY back their stance on). The contract is continually violated/ignored and any loophole in the contract that can be exploited in their favor, they either have done or are still trying to do. Pairing construction. Lack of training for special qualification airports. Contract maintenance that does the minimum. There so many things.

The lack of care goes so far beyond closing Chicago and the 44 that it’s hard to properly mention here. Regardless of where this mgt team works (could be an airline, an accounting firm, a burger joint or even weed dispensary), they make it not a great place to work. From the gate agents to the ground crews to the actual customer and their displeasure with whatever, the place wears on you.

So overall, you can come here an earn a decent living. And you will probably enjoy most of the people you work with. But you will probably also realize that the experience could’ve been much better (compared to what others who do the same job as you make and endure).

DumboDrop

Let me rephrase that, you're anger was directed in the wrong direction. We should absolutely be ****ed.

HSCompressor

https://twitter.com/AtSouthwest/stat...gqow0mxurMv2zg

Well look at it like this…. Indigo likes to bully/threaten overpaid unionized pilots who call out sick during a pandemic.

Well over there at Southwest Airlines they are now bullying/threatening underpaid nonunion rampers (who do a job most would call undesirable) for calling out sick during an operational meltdown.

I would argue F9 might not be the scummiest, this takes the cake.

sailingfun

Southwest is the most heavily unionized airline in the US and that includes the rampers.

HSCompressor

Hmmm. Didn’t know that. I guess that makes it all better. Back to the bottom for F9.

BiffleBalls

Man that is a fantastic post.