I am not stating nor implying that pilots out of domicile are not being provided hotels. I was one line stating exactly what dracir1 went into detail in the reply post to mine above, which I agree with.

You sure? The regional I worked at over a decade ago covered that expense. Hotels were based on your home address on file. If it was more than X miles away from the training location you got a hotel. Didn’t matter where you were based.

Am I sure? Sure of what? That I work under F9 CBA and not your regional CBA? Yes, I’m quite sure of that.

Y’all are splitting hairs over a contract that was agreed to under exceptional circumstances. Can it be fixed in the future? Sure. Is it a high priority the next time around? Maybe, maybe not. We still have some heavy, low hanging fruit which needs to be addressed first. A few hotels for a fraction of the pilot group might not be one of them.

You said it was on the pilot and “no airline would cover that”. I was merely pointing out that’s not true. Other airlines have, in fact, covered recurrent training hotels regardless of base.

No airline would cover hotel expenses that’s not in their respective CBA. Or any expense not covered by their CBA. Holy cow, I can’t believe I have to spell it out.

Next round of negotiations y’all need to think about total compensation/QOL. Think small, get small. If a few nights at a hotel are important for a very small % of pilots who upgrade once in their career at F9 the company will laugh their asses off if ALPA gave up negotiating leverage for such a thing. Why do you think regionals pay for that stuff? Think about it.

Think small, get small.

It doesn’t need to be fixed in sec 6 negotiations. It can be resolved in a settlement agreement as part of a remedy. I’m sure alpa is asking for something hotel related as a remedy with the associated group grievance. I’m fairly confident that remedy provides hotels for all training events if requested regardless of domicile being den new hires are getting them now. That’s the argument anyhow.

Even if this is not fixed with a settlement agreement the company has way more issues with training and hotels than we do. Issues that are valued in the millions. Did you know they have to dh all las and Phx pilots to den, pay the dh, per diem, and provide hotels when’s there’s sims in las and Phx? Also, they have to send den instructors to domiciles where thier based, pay per diem the entire time, pay thier hotels and get rental cars? These are just two examples off the top of my head.

Can anyone that has joined F9 recently and taken the bonus confirm if they pull your credit ? I didn't see anything in the offer letter or promissory note mentioning it, but rumors on this thread would claim otherwise. I'm not planning on spending the money, I will just be keeping it in a savings account for 3 years, but I am planning on buying a house in the next few months and this would kill my almost perfect credit score and likely affect my mortgage rate...

.....filler

They do not. It’s an up-front payment, now $50K. You either pay it back + interest (dumb, but unfortunately just how it is) if you leave. Or you stay for 3 years and you’re off the hook. Anyone hired in 2023 would have the bonus reported to the IRS in 2026 and it would be part of the return policy you file in April 2027 (the $50k plus whatever interest accrued over 3 years, even though you were only given $50K; that’s the contentious part for many)

Again, the interest-bearing part is dumb. But if you have any intent to stay for a while, and don’t touch the money during the 36 months, for better or worse you make an extra $50K. Since it’s only been offered for 3 classes so far, most people here are speculating.

Many people in my class took it. I can’t speak definitively about the next two groups but I believe people are mostly taking it. Word on the street was that you could decline the bonus and request they rewrite the offer letter to omit the bonus language. But someone from a more recent class would have to chime in to confirm.

They’re not pulling credit scores.

Welcome to Frontier, I think putting this "bonus" in the bank is the way to go. Nearly all the FO's I fly with are going to United, it is hilarious except for the fact that they are great people and pilots who will be missed. Some of them have been hear only 7 months or so and already they have CJO's at United! So make sure to update your apps and further your career if that is your aim, or even a consideration because we have an unofficial flow to United. Every one of you who moves on helps the cause of those of us who are staying, so don't feel even the SLIGHTEST bit bad about it.
It's embarrassing that we are here. We are the first major airline to do anything like this bonus BS and to have pilots worrying that their credit will be pulled is so... ghetto for lack of a better adjective.
Oh and if you plan to stay then great! Our cockpit culture is second to none. The operation is like wading through a swamp at times, punctuated with days that are pretty easy breezy. If you are coming from the business jet world (guessing by your handle) you couldn't have picked a better place to transition into airline flying.
And then going straight to United after training...

50k bonuses for new hires instead of coming to the table early and starting negotiations on a new contract that will keep people around for at least 5 years to come.

Love how Barry said we have no pilot hiring issues on the investor call. He also mentioned that contracts and pay aren't too big of an issue right now. How out of touch can you be with your own company?

Either out of touch or trying to save face for the company during a public communication that often dictates future trading trends. Frontier stock was a bloodbath this morning.

Have you seen our new hire classes? Have you seen how little open time and premium time there has been?

How many pilots have we hired in the last year? 400+?

Also, in the call yesterday, Biffle said that with the delays in Airbus deliveries, they might slow down hiring

Well it begs the question,,,,how is Frontier avoiding the problem?

That is true... he said attrition was an issue. I guess I am just out of touch with reality.

Which one? We have a lot of problems.

He did admit that? Just checking to see if that was snarky or not, ha! Hard to tell sometimes.

They would require your permission to do a hard pull.

If your credit is above 800 a hard inquiry won’t do anything to your rate. Anything above 780 is a wash for the bank and one hard inquiry isn’t going to drop the score more than 10 points.

Thanks for the response everyone. I was more concerned with it showing up as a loan on my credit than anything. I realize they would have to disclose if they were pulling your credit, but companies don't always do the right thing.... I can confirm that in my offer letter email they gave me the option of having a different offer letter that did not have the bonus language in it. I'm definitely going to hang on to the money until the 3 years is up and hopefully it will earn me some interest in the meantime.

I can confirm they let you request a letter without it. No ill treatment because of it.

Does anyone know if as a cadet you can deny the bonus?

Aren't you signing a contract saying you'll be at F9 for so many years as part of the cadet program anyways?

If I’m not mistaken it goes by the bonus not by being a cadet.

Skipping the regionals and going to a major is amazing and am grateful to do so. If I have to do 3+ years at Frontier I will. I was asking out of curiosity because my end goal is legacies when that road comes.

Can anyone confirm that Cadets are eligible for the bonus?

Does anyone know if the bonus is subject to immediate repayment if you get furloughed? Not saying that a furlough is likely or anything but I was curious and that would be good info to know going in

Our class was the first to get it, as you’ve probably heard the rollout was rushed and no one knew what was going on. Even at the top. They did a little live Q&A over zoom one night, and I want to say BL didn’t give a super clear answer on it. But essentially it sounded like any leave of absence paused the clock. One in particular that got address was if you got deployed on mil orders for six months or whatever.

Someone might have a better memory of that meeting than I do, but it sounded like S.O.L. if any sort of disruption. Though if furloughs happen, frankly that’s the last thing that would be on my mind.

Understood, thanks