This forum is a cesspool of negativity. Most people I fly with are really happy and enjoy it here. But the general consensus is that management sucks (Like every airline out there). If I listened to these forums I wouldn't have come here and I wouldn't be as happy as I am right now.

Lol...never said anything to the contrary. Your posts are super amusing.

To get back on track. I’ll guess thier waiting to actually get thier hands on some bonus contract documents. I’m not sure much can be done if the monies are paid before day one of employment?

Thats how it was explained to me when I called in. Obviously they didn’t say to circumvent contract/union, but it was essentially along the lines of “the only way we can offer this is as a pre-employment bonus.”

Makes sense otherwise it’s exceeding 98.5% of year 2.

It's just like the regionls have been doing for a decade. I explained this numerous pages back.

If the union could stop it, they would have. Just as all the regional unions would have.

This will go over about as well as everything else I say on here: At the end of the day, Barry signs the paychecks. They are running the business, not us. We are just a labor group. What we have in the fight is a CBA. And we should fight like hell to get the best one we can and work with the union to enforce it, but beyond that Barry and the boys are steering the ship. Not particularly well, I'll admit. But, I'm going to outlast them by a long time. Already been thru a management team switch and I'll be here (with my seniority number) for multiple more management teams.

I worked as an engineer 25 years, including director positions, before making the commitment to switch to flying for a living. And I gotta say, I never worked someplace where everyone argued how they have a better reason why the company sucks. I, personally, am looking forward to a roomy cockpit, side sticks seems kinda cool, and a PHX base.

find something to be grateful for and stop creating uncertainty for new people trying to make a career at F9.

Buddy ^ looking forward flying with you. We have an issue with first year FOs leaving but the fast majority is happy. We need to fight for and will get better but there is a reason the only place where people come to make some noise is APC without voting with their feet. We have our issues but with 30 years left and home 27 days this month doing mostly turns by choice while getting paid a lot of money I am happy. Do we need to get better? You bet and we will

Glad you made the decision to come here and welcome to the team. I hope it works out as well for you as it has for me and hope you can hold PHX right out of the gate.

Tell me you don't understand accounting without saying you don't understand accounting.

The revenue is booked at the same time as the liability for the flights. This only translates to a profit or loss once the segments have been flown.

Let’s start talking end game strategy here. When we can no longer staff, will everything be liquidated? Or will we be bought/merged?

Right on. Looking forward to an update when you get to the “find out” stage.

prime example. I don’t even want to talk about how much this job sucks today. I want to talk about the end times. 🙄

easy to look down from your ivory tower when you have no skin in the game, you’ve been here what, a month?

Not even….

That’s all I can hope for. I hear it has been awarded to the last few classes, hopefully that continues. And hoping to get real senior and happy at this place.

You can get senior and happy here. Just don't dare say you are happy on this forum. That's against the law of APC.

Joking aside, Welcome to Frontier! Happy to have you

Dont let these forums bring you down, I have enjoyed my time here so far and plan on retiring here. (that was the intent I came here with), many in your class will leave and go to the legacies, but in the end, if you want QOL. You got it here. Welcome

Go ahead, say you're happy! I'm glad you are, honestly. Just don't **** block those of us who get incensed by things -such as the company =13pxactively ripping off it's customers in any way that they can dream up - by telling us we're being "negative". Have your read any articles describing how Frontier Airlines tried to move the goal posts several times to keep people's money? During Covid? Do you think they care more or less about us then our customers, or do you think they even care about anyone at all? Just money as far as I can tell. Maybe you can tune out the leaf blowers and incessantly barking dogs in this world along with your employer wiping their a$$ with our contract - but not me. I'm going to speak up and it would be nice if you didn't have a problem with that.

Go ahead, say you're happy! I'm glad you are, honestly. Just don't **** block those of us who get incensed by things -such as the company =13pxactively ripping off it's customers in any way that they can dream up - by telling us we're being "negative". Have your read any articles describing how Frontier Airlines tried to move the goal posts several times to keep people's money? During Covid? Do you think they care more or less about us then our customers, or do you think they even care about anyone at all? Just money as far as I can tell. Maybe you can tune out the leaf blowers and incessantly barking dogs in this world along with your employer wiping their a$$ with our contract - but not me. I'm going to speak up and it would be nice if you didn't have a problem with that.

It’s like playing Bingo. Each card has spots for
“Best QOL”
”Recession Proof”
”we use to be a family here”
”all we did were Idle Descents”
”Metro State Alumni”

Go ahead, say you're happy! I'm glad you are, honestly. Just don't **** block those of us who get incensed by things -such as the company =13pxactively ripping off it's customers in any way that they can dream up - by telling us we're being "negative". Have your read any articles describing how Frontier Airlines tried to move the goal posts several times to keep people's money? During Covid? Do you think they care more or less about us then our customers, or do you think they even care about anyone at all? Just money as far as I can tell. Maybe you can tune out the leaf blowers and incessantly barking dogs in this world along with your employer wiping their a$$ with our contract - but not me. I'm going to speak up and it would be nice if you didn't have a problem with that.

Aero1900, thanks for being the realist here. I think I fully agree on what you share in this forum. Coming up on third year here, not too far off for upgrade and overall content. 1/3 of our class is gone and I completely understand that. Life is what you make of it. I have an incredible QOL that I don’t think I could achieve elsewhere (I have buddies at the Legacies and know their scheds). I know our contract and keep learning how to use it to my benefit, just like the company does. This place isn’t perfect but what airline is. They’re all here to make money. If they all could go single pilot, they would in a heartbeat and not lose sleep over it. I know my place here. I’m just a cog in the wheel. I get paid to be a pilot not CEO. Does that mean I’m going to roll over and take what they throw at us? Absolutely not, I’ll happily fight for a better contract and for our fellow crew. Just wanted to say I appreciate your posts Aero1900!

Thats why I pay ALPA all the money that I do…so they can take care of all the above frustrations and I can be happy. Makes this career much more enjoyable cuz no matter what airline you work for, it’s all the same. Y’all remember Cactus Jack? Hated every second until the day he retired and then regretted he hated every second the day after he retired until he passed away. Don’t be a Cactus Jack.

There is nothing enjoyable about having friends and family ask if it is true that your company is stealing millions from it’s passengers. It’s embarrassing. And no, it’s not the same at every airline. Things have gone off the rails. It’s not about being a Cactus Jack. It’s about having a little self respect.

I appreciate your point of view and you offer an important point; basically at some level you do have to let sh!t go and make the best of life. I remember what it is like to fly with angry whiny captains so I make sure to keep it light in the cockpit and oil my feathers when I fly to create a mellow, professional tone in the cockpit. I follow the other golden rule as well - NO POLITICS! Nothing worse than flying with people who spend a large portion of the flight grinding their ax about this, that , and the other or reacting with anger and frustration to the challenges we run up against on the line, it's no fun flying with people like that. I still love flying and as far as I can tell people like flying with me, I think I'm introspective enough to make that statement. The $10 bag bounty and all that has transpired because of it really made me cringe with embarrassment, and then we get fined by DOT for basically trying to find a way to steal peoples money from them during some pretty hard times. I honestly believe that spreading these facts about our airline far and wide might help bring change, so that's what I am doing. I guess the way we are treating our customers does not bother some people, but it bothers me. I don't like seeing our customers being taken advantage of because their patronage of our airline feeds my family and that means a lot to me. So that's where I'm coming from.

I couldn't agree more.

+1

Minimizing the criticisms from pilots who have been here and seen with their own eyes the shortfalls that exist is exactly what BL does in RGS. Telling prospective pilots that may be coming to Frontier for a specific base that they closed CHI with no notice and warning those that think the airline is recession proof that they subjected 500 plus pilots to furlough two years ago is not the same as typical pilot b*tching. It’s calling a spade a spade. Yes the schedule flexibility is wonderful, but you can get it at spirit as well if you are looking for the ability to drop to zero and use red/green. And those that were here for the last negotiation know that the company wanted to eliminate it. Come here with eyes wide open. If you are good with all of that and it’s still the place for you, once we are in the cockpit we are in it together.

Just remember ALPA is you. We just learned a very hard lesson at UA for our apathy.

Letting ALPA do the dirty work so I can enjoy my life is being apathetic? No where did I say not to let ALPA know how you feel, or being supportive, or participating in ALPA events. I’ll be the first in line…all I’m saying is don’t waste your career being a Cactus Jack.

Apc is the 1 percenters of Frontier. Hardly a representation of our pilot group. This is the same place that said the contract would never pass!! Well it did by a wide margin. Just relax sit back and enjoy the 1 percent sh*t show. 😂

I’m saying we at UAL as a whole were apathetic. I’m not saying you are with such little info. It was a reminder for all.

Originally Posted by spooldup
This forum is a cesspool of negativity. Most people I fly with are really happy and enjoy it here. But the general consensus is that management sucks (Like every airline out there). If I listened to these forums I wouldn't have come here and I wouldn't be as happy as I am right now.





I can appreciate your great attitude. Seriously. Your perspective is fresh and uplifing.

However, I must mention that it isn't the most "accurate" or helpful perspective. By comparison, your job as a F9 pilot is probably top 10% when compared to ALL jobs. As we all know, there are some pretty crappy jobs out there. But, if you were to compare an F9 pilot job to that of OTHER PILOT JOBS in the US, that percentage falls. There are now regional jobs that pay close to or maybe just as much as our FOs, have the same or better hotels and work rules that are equivalent. Of course, it's all a matter of perspective.

F9 has pretty good (not great but certainly not horrible) schedule flexibility. The reserve rules are OK. The routes are OK, Some of the pairings are great - others, notso. The hotels are above average (they weren't always) and improving. I mean, there are some REALLY NICE things about working as a pilot here. There were many pilots here who compared the existing contract w/ the previous one - and were happy with the gains. There were others that compared the previous contract w/ the EXISTING contracts of other airlines and weren't so happy. Again, perspective.

However, this company will NEVER be industry leading in pay, on time performance, customer service/complaints and many other areas. Barry himself mentioned that if he ever did lead in those categories, that there would be $ left on the table to be made. So, about the only thing we will ever be #1 in - wrt the customers - is the hot chocolate (overheard someone the other day praising it so I tried it myself). This company is certainly more concerned about making money that it is providing a quality product as an airline. So, our focus will always be best in CASM, fuel efficiency, youngest (least problematic) fleet and many other areas that are all great for the company/investors but don't really affect you other than job security.

I'm not posting this to discourage you because I do feel every thread does need balance and you do provide what seems to be the contrary view, but I will say that it is appreciated and necessary. Just keep it 100 about where you work...

Ha…so we have hot chocolate? And its good? Go figure!!

I have been having a love hate relationship with Frontier lately. When there is no weather, no mechanical issues or ridiculous MELs to deal with…it truly can be the best job in the world. I really enjoy the flying, the airplane and the crews. I work 10 to 12 days a month. It’s great. However, throw some complications into the mix and this place falls apart. I’ve been embarrassed a few times lately by this company. They almost seem like they purposely want to **** people (both passengers and employees) off sometimes. This whole LFDR 2.0 thing is such a load of crap. But hey…at least now we can all travel on standby all we want for $599 a year!! There you go…more negativity…
I do think the quality of live here once you have some seniority is hard to beat.

It definitely is a matter of perspective...
There are approximately 140 named airlines in the US between the majors, regionals, cargo, charter, air ambulance, and that does not include ANY OTHER PILOT JOBS. By your bold statement, that means you feel there are at least 14 or more of those airline company's PILOT JOBS that you would do or recommend others to do, not including the 1,000s of other PILOT JOBS, before coming to F9?? Id say slight exaggeration.

Another matter of perspective, but regionals with work rules equivalent to here? Come on man, how long has it been since you have worked under those regional rules? Do we have some cleaning to do for the next contract, absolutely, just like all majors are fighting for right now, but I am truly curious if you are implying that regional work rules are on par with ours? If you really are implying that, the good news is there is quite a few of them that need CAs and are willing to give industry 1 for 1 credit and significant bonuses to head that way. Win win if you believe it. No loss in seniority and you can have the same or better hotels, work rules and just as much or more pay (your words, and not my thoughts or feelings for sure).


I'm not posting this to discourage you because I do feel every thread does need balance and you do provide what seems to be the contrary view, but I will say that it is appreciated and necessary. Just keep it 100 about where you work...[/QUOTE]

Great advise, and I hope all realize no matter how ruff management is right now, it is still far better here at F9 than any regional. My opinion, coming from one of the bigger regionals and still watching them come apart.

More enzymes for the "cesspool". You all have to remember - Frontier Airlines is the entity that came up with all this sh*t we are posting about. We didn't invent it. Be sure to watch the video and then imagine what we might start seeing over the holiday period. They came up with this doozy of a policy just in time to create tons of these videos with the backdrop of the holidays to punctuate them.

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/frontie...ollar-bag-fee/

I guess the "Build the Brand" dept. is on one floor of the Emerald Palace, and the "Steal from the Customer" dept. is on another.

Yup
slam the Kevlar door, fly the jet and collect a paycheck………

Break out the SCALE sell tickets by weight!

There's a whole sub Reddit about perfect fitting things. That should be posted there. Our gate agents are going off the rails. I'm sure this is better than 1000 pilot reports however.

“That plane made sounds American delta and JetBlue never made.”
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