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06-09-2023, 09:23 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by spooldup
18 months take it or leave it.
3 years.
Take a look at United and Southwest. Still slugging it out. And to get really depressed, Spirit admitted that with doing a quick pay raise hasn't stemmed attrition like they hoped. Im sure Indigo looked at that....
06-10-2023, 02:35 AM
#43
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Posts: 681
Originally Posted by 303flyboy
You would think they would want to grow and keep people on the fence here .. 🤓🤷🏼♀️
06-10-2023, 03:46 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 78
Originally Posted by hercretired
It would be a great data point to learn who/which CEO, in airline or transportation history, agreed to an "early" new contract or whatever the legal term is.
there is zero business sense to pay guys higher wages early.
there is zero business sense to pay guys higher wages early.
during that same time period frontier was arguing that it couldn’t pay LOA 67 increases due to Brexit and gave 44 pilots a carpet dance for sick calls. They are not the same and pilots that stick around here in hopes we will be in line with the rest of the industry in a year are kidding themselves. Buckle up.
06-10-2023, 08:24 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
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Originally Posted by turbojet28
They don’t think that attrition and retention are a problem. They genuinely think that they will be able to hire CFIs thru pipeline programs to staff this place. I don’t know why anyone here thinks that management in any way wants a contract anytime soon. There is literally zero evidence to support that conclusion.
Doing this is how you run into the regional issue where you force upgrades and can't staff at all. Right now the only reason there is no open time FO side, is because people are flying everything they can pick up in order to get as much airbus time for their applications.
06-10-2023, 08:28 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by spooldup
They cant do that though... Everyone who is coming here is leaving within a year or so.
Doing this is how you run into the regional issue where you force upgrades and can't staff at all. Right now the only reason there is no open time FO side, is because people are flying everything they can pick up in order to get as much airbus time for their applications.
Doing this is how you run into the regional issue where you force upgrades and can't staff at all. Right now the only reason there is no open time FO side, is because people are flying everything they can pick up in order to get as much airbus time for their applications.
06-10-2023, 04:19 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Optimistic. By a lot, I bet.
3 years.
Take a look at United and Southwest. Still slugging it out. And to get really depressed, Spirit admitted that with doing a quick pay raise hasn't stemmed attrition like they hoped. Im sure Indigo looked at that....
3 years.
Take a look at United and Southwest. Still slugging it out. And to get really depressed, Spirit admitted that with doing a quick pay raise hasn't stemmed attrition like they hoped. Im sure Indigo looked at that....
06-11-2023, 12:00 PM
#50
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Posts: 555
Originally Posted by HSCompressor
According to the Spirit forum their attrition is 54 average per month. That's with their "new" contract. F9 Management has got to be seeing that thinking there's no point in rushing a new and improved contract.
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